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pampango

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12. We certainly need an international agreement that that protects the evironment and labor rights.

Reply to cali (Original post)

Sat Jan 18, 2014, 07:42 AM

Jan 2014

If the TPP (or any future international agreement whether its couched as a 'climate treaty', a UN labor treaty or whatever) would do that I think liberals would support it. (Obviously, conservatives are going to have major problems with environmental protection, labor rights and the idea of sacrificing national sovereignty to accomplish these goals.) If, as appears likely, the final agreement does not accomplish those goals then it should be rejected and a new agreement negotiated - not that I am optimistic that one will be any time soon.

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Is the TPP the most important issue at this time? To me it is [View all] cali Jan 2014 OP

The methane bomb up in the Arctic will have us not even remembering this shit in 50 years. Systematic Chaos Jan 2014 #1

you do grasp that the TPP could well have a major negative environmental impact, right? cali Jan 2014 #2

The TPP won't do anything we're not already doing just fine without it. Systematic Chaos Jan 2014 #4

lol. I don't need to go to the Environmental forum to know something I do over 20 years ago. cali Jan 2014 #5

Corporations hastening us? Really? Almost everything they DO hastens us by default. Systematic Chaos Jan 2014 #6

TPP is merely the realization of inaction on climate change. joshcryer Jan 2014 #8

Cali, that's one of the problems with the Environment/Energy forum bananas Jan 2014 #20

Ding, ding, we have a winner. joshcryer Jan 2014 #7

The MIC Spigot is pretty important...but it's now buy-partisan solarhydrocan Jan 2014 #3

We've got to stop TPP newfie11 Jan 2014 #9

Hear! Hear! ReRe Jan 2014 #13

TPP made a swing voter out of me that will likely boycott November. I voted yes. livingwagenow Jan 2014 #10

yes. nt xchrom Jan 2014 #11

We certainly need an international agreement that that protects the evironment and labor rights. pampango Jan 2014 #12

Bill Clinton tried that with NAFTA. The E&L "protections" were deemed unenforceable. livingwagenow Jan 2014 #15

My point was not that past efforts on the environment and labor rights have been successful, pampango Jan 2014 #16

I believe it is! ReRe Jan 2014 #14

presumably the idea is to present everyone with 5 options, all disastrous MisterP Jan 2014 #17

I think it's the most important and will have reversible results if it's not stopped. B Calm Jan 2014 #18

It's another historic mistake on par with NAFTA and the Iraq war. pa28 Jan 2014 #19