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139. you have the patience of a saint

Sat Jan 18, 2014, 10:52 PM

Jan 2014

I read du for years before I signed up and a couple more years before I posted so I really appreciate people like you who doggedly print the truth and correct the record

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Thank You Bernie Sanders: 'The Devil Will Be In The Details' .. 'I Do Not Agree With The President' [View all] sabrina 1 Jan 2014 OP

No where does Sanders say or imply that. n/t ProSense Jan 2014 #1

Say or imply what? sabrina 1 Jan 2014 #2

He did not say: "I Do Not Agree With The President" ProSense Jan 2014 #3

He was asked what he thought about the President's statement about finding sabrina 1 Jan 2014 #5

That was not his response. n/t ProSense Jan 2014 #6

"Look, the devil is in the details but I don't agree with the overall position of the president ..." eomer Jan 2014 #9

Don't expect an answer. Rex Jan 2014 #12

I listened to the whole thing, including ProSense Jan 2014 #21

FYI single quotes are for paraphrased material. pa28 Jan 2014 #24

"Paraphrased material" isn't designed to change the meaning or context of a quote. n/t ProSense Jan 2014 #25

and removing qualifiers is disingenuous. nt arely staircase Jan 2014 #37

Good point that will be ignored. Rex Jan 2014 #58

Well of course. Distraction, not accuracy is the real purpose here. pa28 Jan 2014 #81

He stated what he believed the job of the NSA should be, 'looking for terrorists' which btw sabrina 1 Jan 2014 #31

You can't be ProSense Jan 2014 #33

You did twist what he said and took it out of context. You should qualified your comment as I sabrina 1 Jan 2014 #57

No, I did not. You are projecting. n/t ProSense Jan 2014 #59

but..but..does this means Sanders is an egotist like Assange ? Swagman Jan 2014 #68

And attention! Lol! sabrina 1 Jan 2014 #69

are you making a comparison between the two? VanillaRhapsody Jan 2014 #77

Oops. bvar22 Jan 2014 #30

Do you know if anyone went over to correct the other OP which completely distorted Bernie's position sabrina 1 Jan 2014 #35

Believe it or not, SOMEONE in this very thread went and rec 'cd THAT thread! Rex Jan 2014 #54

Omg, I am going to have to go see that for myself! sabrina 1 Jan 2014 #63

It is painful to watch this go one anymore! Rex Jan 2014 #65

I wondered how long it would be before Bernie joined all the other great Progressives under the bus! sabrina 1 Jan 2014 #82

He has tire tracks on his face. Enthusiast Jan 2014 #165

Some search for TRUTH. bvar22 Jan 2014 #110

Not a chance. bvar22 Jan 2014 #64

Bernie also says that the 'current surveillance program is clearly a violation of the 4th Amendment sabrina 1 Jan 2014 #76

Your thread was awesome. And this little gem here blew me out of the water Autumn Jan 2014 #89

lol. Great find and post indeed! Hypocrisy knows no boundary it seems for some... Purveyor Jan 2014 #102

Just imagine if you will. Autumn Jan 2014 #103

If you want to know what would have happened had Edward Snowden appeared in 2006 all you sabrina 1 Jan 2014 #146

As you see, it's not a question of "what", it's "who". Autumn Jan 2014 #107

Indeed! When it's a D, it's all cool. neverforget Jan 2014 #129

That was revealing and if you read further down that thread there are several other great links sabrina 1 Jan 2014 #138

Incredible. What a different tune is being piped now that Obama is in office. JDPriestly Jan 2014 #160

... Enthusiast Jan 2014 #166

amoral public relations flak for the DLC bobduca Jan 2014 #152

"It really is a matter of having an internal Moral Compass." woo me with science Jan 2014 #233

+1 sarcasmo Jan 2014 #128

see post #9! n/t wildbilln864 Jan 2014 #20

Sabrina's represntation of the discussion is accurate Jack Rabbit Jan 2014 #126

That is an excellent post, Jack Rabbit. Thank you for taking the time to do this. sabrina 1 Jan 2014 #147

He said "I do not overall agree with the President on that issue" at 4:14. Autumn Jan 2014 #8

Can you believe all the flip flopping going on to control the debate? Rex Jan 2014 #13

All I can say is Autumn Jan 2014 #16

BAWHAHAHAHAHA! Rex Jan 2014 #18

Lol, amazing isn't it? I am still wondering if the other OP distorting Bernie's position was sabrina 1 Jan 2014 #36

No demands for links or quotes, accuracy or any of that shit . Autumn Jan 2014 #44

Golly gee I dunno...that really kinda makes them look...well Rex Jan 2014 #48

Hey, I only quoted a couple of posters in this thread Autumn Jan 2014 #50

LOL! Rex Jan 2014 #52

I did forget to use quotation marks and credit the poster Autumn Jan 2014 #55

I agree, if they care so much they can find it. Have a great movietime! Rex Jan 2014 #56

You know what really sucks worse than no exact quotes when someone is paraphrasing? Autumn Jan 2014 #71

Think of it as 'reality tv'. But more fun! sabrina 1 Jan 2014 #84

Spaceballs, the 25th anniversary edition Autumn Jan 2014 #86

Shouldn't you have quotation marks or something around the title of the movie? sabrina 1 Jan 2014 #91

Oh shit!!! Rex Jan 2014 #88

It's rather amusing, and all too common. Autumn Jan 2014 #92

There is no such thing . . . HuskyOffset Jan 2014 #176

That is so interesting, thanks for the information from one who still has Autumn Jan 2014 #199

Lol, I didn' and look what happened, 'forget' anything important, such as the paraphrase commas and sabrina 1 Jan 2014 #85

Lol, I was just told that one of the people in this thread DEMANDING accuracy sabrina 1 Jan 2014 #66

One can only wonder! Rex Jan 2014 #47

Doing the math bobduca Jan 2014 #153

Bingo. Rex Jan 2014 #179

She has nothing of substance so she tries to find an error in the OP to use rhett o rick Jan 2014 #182

It smacks of desperation when you pick a minor point and use it to try to hijack the thread. rhett o rick Jan 2014 #181

Thank you for correcting the record. woo me with science Jan 2014 #4

No problem. The problem they are having now is that they are so obvious they are probably sabrina 1 Jan 2014 #94

Yeah. What is their cause? Enthusiast Jan 2014 #168

What is The Motive? bvar22 Jan 2014 #245

Thats the best description of PRO SENSE's role on this board yet. bobduca Jan 2014 #253

Their Cause or is it Cos? bobduca Jan 2014 #252

Do you think the people doing the messaging are all paid operatives? Cali_Democrat Jan 2014 #158

I think your post is called JAQing. nm rhett o rick Jan 2014 #183

Fuck Ron Paul. nt Cali_Democrat Jan 2014 #188

If you wish, I wont stop you. nm rhett o rick Jan 2014 #190

LOL. bvar22 Jan 2014 #200

*giggle* Cali_Democrat Jan 2014 #221

Lol! n/t sabrina 1 Jan 2014 #248

' I paraphrased his comments from the interview, they are not direct quotes' one_voice Jan 2014 #7

Here's the direct quote, thanks to Autumn above: sabrina 1 Jan 2014 #10

overall. overall. overall Autumn Jan 2014 #14

The word "overall" is their Benghazi !!! bvar22 Jan 2014 #201

"overall" is their Bengazi" sabrina 1 Jan 2014 #213

They are having some difficulties controlling the message. Rex Jan 2014 #15

why did you change the quote? nt arely staircase Jan 2014 #19

And the context. n/t ProSense Jan 2014 #22

I included the quote provided by two DUers in this thread. Here it is again, better sabrina 1 Jan 2014 #26

Been there? He rec'cd that thread! Rex Jan 2014 #60

Whaaat? You're kidding right? sabrina 1 Jan 2014 #67

Huh?? I didn't quote him, see note at the end of the OP. You know what paraphrasing means? But sabrina 1 Jan 2014 #23

then why not just say that? arely staircase Jan 2014 #29

Did you read the OP?? Btw, have you corrected the other OP which completely distorted Bernie's sabrina 1 Jan 2014 #40

Omg! I just read this again: Why did you not say that'?? Are you seriously asking that question? sabrina 1 Jan 2014 #49

Oh look...it's the barley-comprehensible meltdown guy DisgustipatedinCA Jan 2014 #197

doesn't fit the narrative joshcryer Jan 2014 #28

she removed words that were clearly qualifiers of Sander's disagreement. arely staircase Jan 2014 #32

Not only that, ProSense Jan 2014 #38

I guess you didn't see the link. Or the note at the end of the OP. Surely if you had you would not sabrina 1 Jan 2014 #53

Let me ask you something. You are claiming a concern for accuracy here, yet you rec'd a total sabrina 1 Jan 2014 #106

Are you ProSense Jan 2014 #116

You rec'd a thread that called Bernie a sellout and that implied when we found out what he sabrina 1 Jan 2014 #121

You do recognize snark, don't you? n/t ProSense Jan 2014 #122

I recognize that a lot of people fell for it AND sadly, hoped it was true. sabrina 1 Jan 2014 #134

Lol, you should quit while you are only this far behind. Did you go to the other OP which distorted sabrina 1 Jan 2014 #41

My my...they are totally ignoring your posts now...the truth is too hard for them to write up some Rex Jan 2014 #51

I know. It's hilarious. When you have to make stuff about something that is RIGHT THERE sabrina 1 Jan 2014 #61

Yeah...gee this is not about accuracy in reporting, what could it be then? Rex Jan 2014 #62

It is hilarious to watch them flailing in their own shit, bvar22 Jan 2014 #73

I like the self-congratulatory derisive nature of these posts. joshcryer Jan 2014 #144

Ouch! THAT's got to hurt! Rex Jan 2014 #194

But it's not intent or context that matters, only the exact, precise words! Scootaloo Jan 2014 #72

I don't think there is any question now what this was all about. The OP was clear, a link was sabrina 1 Jan 2014 #90

would it be that people provided such links joshcryer Jan 2014 #119

Well, if you close your eyes, then you can truthfull say you didn't "see" the proof, bvar22 Jan 2014 #203

on the issue of data collection joshcryer Jan 2014 #223

Now THAT is some tortured spin, joshcryer...... and another Strawman. bvar22 Jan 2014 #246

you support the NSA? joshcryer Jan 2014 #247

The facts presented here in this OP are not intended to fit the narrative, the one which completely sabrina 1 Jan 2014 #98

yet again I have not addressed you in any way joshcryer Jan 2014 #115

You addressed me again in an indirect way and once again tried to distort my intentions. sabrina 1 Jan 2014 #123

uh, removing words from a quote... joshcryer Jan 2014 #124

If someone 'removed words from a 'QUOTE' you might have a point. I made it clear I was sabrina 1 Jan 2014 #136

you have the patience of a saint questionseverything Jan 2014 #139

Thank you, I am glad you did sign up. I am attaching this comment regarding Josh Cryer's sabrina 1 Jan 2014 #145

Your 'paraphrase' was almost a spot on quote. joshcryer Jan 2014 #143

BS. bvar22 Jan 2014 #217

'on that issue' joshcryer Jan 2014 #222

Thank you. It's become a joke at this point and if I were in that position where I have become a DU sabrina 1 Jan 2014 #225

Is that the only thing you could find that you didnt like about the OP? If you look rhett o rick Jan 2014 #184

You didn't watch the video, did you? He flat out says that he does not agree Luminous Animal Jan 2014 #11

Yes I did... one_voice Jan 2014 #34

All that matters is RobertEarl Jan 2014 #42

Did you give your opinion to the other OP which totally distorted Bernie's position being that you sabrina 1 Jan 2014 #43

It's funny that three of you showed up here, all with the exact same criticism Maedhros Jan 2014 #127

uh-huh... one_voice Jan 2014 #130

It's just such a weak criticism. Maedhros Jan 2014 #137

Nice catch, believe me when I say many, many of us notice that Rex Jan 2014 #195

Where'd you go, little one? DisgustipatedinCA Jan 2014 #196

Thank you sabrina 1 for the link... nenagh Jan 2014 #17

You are very welcome nenagh .. sabrina 1 Jan 2014 #45

HUGE K & R !!! - Thank You !!! WillyT Jan 2014 #27

K&R natch n/t whatchamacallit Jan 2014 #39

We need a Restore Ephemeral Communications Act hootinholler Jan 2014 #46

He is spot on. He said that the collection of meta is a 'Violation of the US Constitution' sabrina 1 Jan 2014 #140

I agree. Enthusiast Jan 2014 #169

K&R for pissing off all the RIGHT people! Rex Jan 2014 #70

I'm certainly not upset. I told you all from the beginning Snowden would change nothing. stevenleser Jan 2014 #104

Never figured you for an authority type. Rex Jan 2014 #105

I'm not an 'authority type'. stevenleser Jan 2014 #112

I don't know the man, if he thinks he is on a noble mission Rex Jan 2014 #117

So you agree with Bernie Sanders that spying on the American people is a violation of the 4th sabrina 1 Jan 2014 #154

No. nt stevenleser Jan 2014 #173

Seems to me that if you are willing to allow the conservative Republican run NSA to rhett o rick Jan 2014 #191

Rex, just want to correct one thing. Snowden didn't go to Russia, he was on his way sabrina 1 Jan 2014 #150

I guess it boiled down to they have nukes Rex Jan 2014 #155

Why isnt anyone looking at Booz-Allen? How much data do they have control of? And who rhett o rick Jan 2014 #228

Yes and why does the NSA suddenly trust them again - enough to Rex Jan 2014 #230

IMO the NSA works for the same boss as Booz-Allen. nm rhett o rick Jan 2014 #238

You and I agree on that. Rex Jan 2014 #240

You really said that? bvar22 Jan 2014 #114

Well said...eom. KoKo Jan 2014 #180

Let me guess your point. Because Snowden's revelations didnt change anything, we should all just rhett o rick Jan 2014 #186

The Hope/Change well has done run bone dry. We need some REAL action. Not just more insincere speech blkmusclmachine Jan 2014 #74

If we had ninety nine other Senators like him, truedelphi Jan 2014 #79

I find it amusing when someone scours speeches by Bernie Sanders or ... dawg Jan 2014 #75

Good post, thank you ... especially this ' sabrina 1 Jan 2014 #80

Personality cultists believe that everyone else is also a personality cultist. QC Jan 2014 #108

The problem is that many ARE for Obama, regardless of his policies Doctor_J Jan 2014 #135

Really good point. Egalitarian Thug Jan 2014 #142

Damn, dawg! Enthusiast Jan 2014 #170

Sanders is about the only Senator I have faith in 100% of the time. truedelphi Jan 2014 #78

Bernie rocks my world Autumn Jan 2014 #83

I agree Agony Jan 2014 #96

+1! Democrats of the Wall Street stripe Enthusiast Jan 2014 #171

+100000 No Trojan horse there. woo me with science Jan 2014 #189

HUMONGUOUS K&R BelgianMadCow Jan 2014 #87

Kick Agony Jan 2014 #93

Hilarious thread if you've been following the various personalities for a while Fumesucker Jan 2014 #95

Lol, do you think they don't like me? sabrina 1 Jan 2014 #101

To know you is to love you Sabrina Fumesucker Jan 2014 #111

Aw, thank you Fumesucker ... sabrina 1 Jan 2014 #141

. rhett o rick Jan 2014 #192

this deserves another Kick! Agony Jan 2014 #97

And it deserves another kick Autumn Jan 2014 #99

I tried to watch the one on MSNBC could'nt even get the damn thing to load Autumn Jan 2014 #100

Moderates/DLC types: "Hey, look over there, Chris Christie!"� silvershadow Jan 2014 #109

If Bernie Sanders decides to run for POTUS dotymed Jan 2014 #113

That is how a lot of people are feeling, 'fuck political parties'. Not the first time in history sabrina 1 Jan 2014 #118

+10000000 woo me with science Jan 2014 #132

If he runs, he WILL have my vote. NorthCarolina Jan 2014 #175

K&R Solly Mack Jan 2014 #120

nice work! reddread Jan 2014 #125

Thanks! and a Big Recommend.... KoKo Jan 2014 #131

and I suspect he won't like those details stupidicus Jan 2014 #133

Transcript ProSense Jan 2014 #148

My summation was accurate. Jack Rabbit already posted the relevant parts. Bernie is clear on the sabrina 1 Jan 2014 #149

"Thanks for the transcript. " ProSense Jan 2014 #151

I never used the words 'meta data' back then either. They weren't in the vocabulary. But sabrina 1 Jan 2014 #204

Good for you, but don't imply that I changed my views. n/t ProSense Jan 2014 #205

Well, we can let the readers of this thread decide for themselves: bvar22 Jan 2014 #211

When I ProSense Jan 2014 #212

LOL bvar22 Jan 2014 #216

So long as you don't imply that anything HAS changed. n/t sabrina 1 Jan 2014 #214

at first you don't succeed arely staircase Jan 2014 #156

Might as well...even when wrong or disingenuous the Greenies still give praise. (nt) great white snark Jan 2014 #159

What is a 'Greenie'? sabrina 1 Jan 2014 #162

Okay, I'm rooting for you. You certainly have been trying, over and over again. The best sabrina 1 Jan 2014 #161

As usual, Senator Bernie Sanders is intelligent, articulate and fair in his discussion of the issues JDPriestly Jan 2014 #157

He just has ODS mindwalker_i Jan 2014 #163

BDS, remember that? 'Bush Derangement Syndrome'. Someone reminded me today, that's what sabrina 1 Jan 2014 #164

Yeah, it's used in the opposite way mindwalker_i Jan 2014 #187

excellent +r solarhydrocan Jan 2014 #167

Recommended 1000X and kicked too. Enthusiast Jan 2014 #172

kick! delrem Jan 2014 #174

Bernie is a grown up, Progressive dog Jan 2014 #177

Yes, because disagreements among intellectuals always means one is right and the other wrong. randome Jan 2014 #178

Does that mean that you support Sen Sander's statements? nm rhett o rick Jan 2014 #193

That he doesn't agree with the President? That's merely him making a statement. randome Jan 2014 #209

Really? You believe someone that told you they only collect meta data. rhett o rick Jan 2014 #210

Hell, even if it where true "metamata" is essentially a 24/7 365 warrantless tail. TheKentuckian Jan 2014 #219

It may be very difficult to draw the line between a total security state and a free society, but rhett o rick Jan 2014 #220

Snowden was not able to get at any personal data. That's how well-guarded it is. randome Jan 2014 #242

Who told you Snowden was not able to get any personal data? A Republican? rhett o rick Jan 2014 #244

You are STILL wrong. bvar22 Jan 2014 #215

'Embarrassing myself'? That's not possible when I'm fine with being shown wrong. randome Jan 2014 #241

Those willing to give up their freedoms and liberties for the promise of security are fools. rhett o rick Jan 2014 #185

why do you have to give up your freedoms? The problem is underthematrix Jan 2014 #198

The NSA has been privatized. Our 'security' has been outsourced. That was a Republican sabrina 1 Jan 2014 #202

WHOOP! There it is. bvar22 Jan 2014 #206

WHOOP! THERE it is. Autumn Jan 2014 #207

... woo me with science Jan 2014 #218

I can understand how some might like to have a strong authoritarian government that was sympathetic rhett o rick Jan 2014 #208

In much of Europe Sanders would be considered a moderate frwrfpos Jan 2014 #224

Sabrina! sheshe2 Jan 2014 #226

sheshe2 ~don't talk to me talk to Bernie! sabrina 1 Jan 2014 #227

hey sabrina... sheshe2 Jan 2014 #229

Just click the link in the OP and you can hear him in his own words, on video. sabrina 1 Jan 2014 #231

Okay.... sheshe2 Jan 2014 #232

Bernie is the one who deserves an award. For standing by his oath of office. sabrina 1 Jan 2014 #234

sabrina~ sheshe2 Jan 2014 #235

I will stick with the country and it's people. No matter how painful it is sabrina 1 Jan 2014 #236

+1, almost 200 recs on misinformation, academy award indeed. joshcryer Jan 2014 #251

sheshe.... Bobbie Jo Jan 2014 #239

Bernie Sanders: "I do nor agree with the overall position of the President". sabrina 1 Jan 2014 #243

Eomerian K&R BelgianMadCow Jan 2014 #237

"...should it be stored at all?" Hell, should it be gathered at all? Tierra_y_Libertad Jan 2014 #249

Yes, but Bernie was referring to the President's speech in which he stated sabrina 1 Jan 2014 #250