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markpkessinger

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21. I don't fault Mayor Zimmer for trying to work with the Governor at all . . .

Sat Jan 18, 2014, 11:07 PM

Jan 2014

. . . I'm just puzzled as to why she ever thought he was someone she could trust in the first place. Yes, after it became clear what the Mayor's office was doing, she expressed her disillusionment. But Christie's way of belittling and demeaning people who challenged him on anything at all should have been a red flag that, all personal charm and charisma notwithstanding, there was something much darker lurking underneath. Clearly, her diary indicates that before the Christie administration tried to shake her down, she was a true believer. At that point, she wasn't struggling to weigh consequences of crossing Christie nor was she worried about political survival (that came afterwards), but really liked the guy.

I am reminded of something I once heard the late Rev. William Sloane Coffin, long-time pastor of Riverside Church in NYC and prominent civil rights and anti-war activist, say when asked about how to deal with feelings of disillusionment: "Who the hell ever told you you had a right to illusions in the first place?"

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A question for Mayor Zimmer of Hoboken, NJ [View all] markpkessinger Jan 2014 OP

My thought, too. MannyGoldstein Jan 2014 #1

She didn't want to endorse Bueno or Christie flamingdem Jan 2014 #2

Political survival would explain her public statements of admiration . . . markpkessinger Jan 2014 #3

Maybe he is very charismatic in person flamingdem Jan 2014 #6

I should have added the word "charm" to post #8 regarding John Edwards. n/t NCarolinawoman Jan 2014 #9

Well, my cousins think the world GP6971 Jan 2014 #26

Good point, flamingdem. sheshe2 Jan 2014 #5

I remember that photo and the video flamingdem Jan 2014 #7

Exactly! Zimmer was working for the people. sheshe2 Jan 2014 #15

I don't fault Mayor Zimmer for trying to work with the Governor at all . . . markpkessinger Jan 2014 #21

You used to live in Hoboken? Beacool Jan 2014 #27

Yes! It was a cold walk to the Path train along the Hudson everyday flamingdem Jan 2014 #30

The bakeries are still there. Beacool Jan 2014 #45

I agree, sheshe. She was in survival mode. pacalo Jan 2014 #13

Damn it pacalo. sheshe2 Jan 2014 #16

But clearly, prior to the Lt. Gov's attempted shakedown . . . markpkessinger Jan 2014 #22

I see what you mean -- what *did* she think of Christie when he belittled his own constituents pacalo Jan 2014 #28

didn't she also say that if she went along with christie on the rockefeller group idea, that she CTyankee Jan 2014 #35

Yes, she said that had she gone along with it, she'd have ended up in a courthouse pacalo Jan 2014 #42

I guess she reached her boiling point...she simply couldn't take it any more... CTyankee Jan 2014 #43

Candy Crowley asked her to square the fact that in Aug '13 Zimmer had praised Christie pacalo Jan 2014 #44

she was clearly afraid of what he could do to hurt her/Hoboken in retaliation. Scary, isn't it? CTyankee Jan 2014 #46

Yes, it is -- after what all we're learning, she's probably still afraid. pacalo Jan 2014 #47

Then she's best off being in the public eye. That way, he can't screw her over like he could CTyankee Jan 2014 #48

I agree, CTyankee. pacalo Jan 2014 #49

I wondered too why she had ever thought such a thing. polichick Jan 2014 #4

I think many people felt that way about John Edwards, and they were GOOD people who NCarolinawoman Jan 2014 #8

Perhaps that's it . . . markpkessinger Jan 2014 #19

Good comparison--honest people often cannot perceive badness... marions ghost Jan 2014 #32

Right. She projects her basically nice personality on other people, pnwmom Jan 2014 #37

I am one of those guilty of believing in John Edwards. I liked his message on the "two CTyankee Jan 2014 #38

Because Christie was the one that helped send the previous (crooked) mayor of Hoboken to prison Tx4obama Jan 2014 #10

Christie better watch his back if they ever become cellmates. Auntie Bush Jan 2014 #12

Well maybe this might explain it. Cleita Jan 2014 #11

These are Reagan Democrats. They are bought by the "us vs. them" mentality. immoderate Jan 2014 #14

This is a very red area and affluently white so even the Democrats Cleita Jan 2014 #18

Take a look at the actual figures for Hoboken and Hudson County, all Democratic wins Bluenorthwest Jan 2014 #40

maybe she's an optimist spanone Jan 2014 #17

Optimism is one thing . . . markpkessinger Jan 2014 #20

Oh, she grasps it.... zentrum Jan 2014 #23

Good point . . . markpkessinger Jan 2014 #24

Your question is a good one marions ghost Jan 2014 #34

Republicans in Hoboken? FarCenter Jan 2014 #29

For the sake of clarification . . . markpkessinger Jan 2014 #25

You and me both. calimary Jan 2014 #31

Ex-actly. nt PCIntern Jan 2014 #33

She got her job because he was the crusading prosecutor who put her predecessor pnwmom Jan 2014 #36

About one third of NJ 'Democrats' voted for him. Moderate Centrists were in love with him Bluenorthwest Jan 2014 #39

I would imagine that maybe in person, he's a likable guy justiceischeap Jan 2014 #41