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frazzled

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15. I am terrified

Sun Jan 19, 2014, 12:42 AM

Jan 2014

No, I'm not a victim of domestic abuse myself, and there have never been any guns in my household. But I truly fear that some misguided absolutist notion of "freedom" and "constitutional rights" will put the lives of untold women at risk.

We live in a country that worries about the size of soft drinks, minor ingredients in shampoo, and the horrors wrought upon our kids if they see someone vaping, but we blithely put guns in the arms of untold numbers of crazy people, and then let them carry them into public places at will. And someone gets shot dead for texting during the previews at a movie theater. And now, we may put guns back in the hands of domestic abusers.

I honestly don't know if I want to live in this irrational culture anymore. To me, this crazy gun culture is the most dangerous thing we face today. Yes, it's bigger than just about anything (bigger than Chris Christie even, bigger than NSA phone records). But most people think it's just the cost of doing business in Freedom Land.

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supreme court will decide on re-arming domestic abusers [View all] niyad Jan 2014 OP

. . . niyad Jan 2014 #1

I am not a lawyer, but I suspect the Supreme Court will overturn this ban. nt Demo_Chris Jan 2014 #2

You're probably right... Wounded Bear Jan 2014 #3

not to mention, women do not seem to count (witness them discussing the "safe zones" at niyad Jan 2014 #5

think you are probably correct. niyad Jan 2014 #4

I can't see them doing that. NutmegYankee Jan 2014 #6

I suspect (no expert) that the issue will be the permanent loss of rights for a misdemeanor... Demo_Chris Jan 2014 #7

the fact that domestic abuse is a misdemeanor is pretty disgusting. niyad Jan 2014 #11

There are degrees JJChambers Jan 2014 #14

Think this through all the way. Some domestic abuse SHOULD be a misdemeaner at best. nt Demo_Chris Jan 2014 #17

do you work with domestic abuse victims? have you seen what happens? I have. niyad Jan 2014 #20

Work with them? No. Seen what can happen? Yes.... Demo_Chris Jan 2014 #29

try telling that to the victims I have seen and worked with. niyad Jan 2014 #30

Round them up and I will tell them. They will say "Yeah, no shit." Demo_Chris Jan 2014 #32

not surprised at your response. now, kindly cite the link where I ever said what you italicized. niyad Jan 2014 #33

No, it's a debate over some minor phrasing in the law. NutmegYankee Jan 2014 #13

incorrect. It's whether the conviction must include violence as an element. geek tragedy Jan 2014 #39

I don't read it as a question of overturning the Lautenberg Amendment, but petronius Jan 2014 #9

Dream on. nt geek tragedy Jan 2014 #40

Re-arming domestic abusers? Lunacee_2013 Jan 2014 #8

The threshold for permanently losing a civil right should be high hack89 Jan 2014 #28

domestic abuse is non-violent? really????? niyad Jan 2014 #31

They are trying to define the limits of "physical force" hack89 Jan 2014 #34

absolutely amazing. non-violent domestic abuse. niyad Jan 2014 #35

The law was poorly written - what can I say? hack89 Jan 2014 #36

what can you say? how about one iota of concern for the victims? niyad Jan 2014 #37

I am just pointing out the legal issues at stake hack89 Jan 2014 #38

This. redqueen Jan 2014 #10

given the other insanity of the supremes this week, have to wonder what in the hell they are smoking niyad Jan 2014 #12

Did any of them happen to visit... Lancero Jan 2014 #18

you almost owed me a keyboard. niyad Jan 2014 #21

I am terrified frazzled Jan 2014 #15

I think you are quite correct, although the word irrational is a very mild description of the niyad Jan 2014 #16

The victims and everyone around them kcr Jan 2014 #19

Indeed. See the "Azana Spa shooting" in Brookfield, WI in 2012. PeaceNikki Jan 2014 #25

That was was I was thinking of kcr Jan 2014 #26

Gun clutchers will state that he was in violation of the law when that happened, and that is true. PeaceNikki Jan 2014 #27

+1000 nt ecstatic Jan 2014 #22

. . niyad Jan 2014 #23

K&R Solly Mack Jan 2014 #24

... redqueen Jan 2014 #41