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95. "But I could equally say that nowhere in your argument is there any mention of the incalculable

Sun Jan 19, 2014, 01:55 AM

Jan 2014

grief suffered by the families of the wrongfully executed."

Exactly.

And of the grief suffered by innocent people, and their families, when the innocent person is too frightened of the possibility of the death penalty to demand a trial, and/or lacks the financial resources to fight the state.

We know someone this happened to. Thankfully, he owned a business and could sell assets to fund a defense. But what a nightmare. And the state held the death penalty over his head for six months, while he insisted on a trial. Imagine the courage for a an average, everyday, non-violent person to suddenly be thrust into that world -- and to be brave enough to take a chance on being convicted and facing the death penalty. How many innocent people plead guilty because the alternative is too awful to imagine?

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I think there are acts that PERMANENTLY disqualify a person from participation in human society. [View all] cherokeeprogressive Jan 2014 OP

Excellent post JJChambers Jan 2014 #1

How do you feel about the innocent people who have been put to death? Are you okay with that? Arugula Latte Jan 2014 #2

That's why I prefer the solution CFLDem Jan 2014 #4

I'm NOT okay with that. cherokeeprogressive Jan 2014 #5

That is a different issue JJChambers Jan 2014 #77

Sorry, not buying it. NuclearDem Jan 2014 #3

My solution is incarceration until death. With the caveat that the convicted gets to decide cherokeeprogressive Jan 2014 #9

You have your opinion and I have mine. I disagree. Katashi_itto Jan 2014 #11

So you have no problem killing innocent people. nt RedCappedBandit Jan 2014 #17

Wow...thats a true straw-man argument. Welcome to ignore. Katashi_itto Jan 2014 #19

No, it isn't. RedCappedBandit Jan 2014 #21

How odd that you favor the death penalty while I agree with Pope Francis and oppose it. Bluenorthwest Jan 2014 #82

Not debatable for me. Maedhros Jan 2014 #18

Not saying it's debatable. I think in certain things people simply disagree. Katashi_itto Jan 2014 #22

have to disagree backwoodsbob Jan 2014 #93

couldn't let it go U4ikLefty Jan 2014 #6

You think it's horrible to incarcerate him for the rest of his life and let him cherokeeprogressive Jan 2014 #7

That post was disgusting and it was hidden. U4ikLefty Jan 2014 #8

You know what I thought was strange about the hidden post? cherokeeprogressive Jan 2014 #12

Yes it's a conspiracy!!! U4ikLefty Jan 2014 #14

What about the content was "over the top"? cherokeeprogressive Jan 2014 #16

The part where you advocate continuous torture..? RedCappedBandit Jan 2014 #25

I reported it. It was sadistic blood lust. Gravitycollapse Jan 2014 #55

.... A HERETIC I AM Jan 2014 #80

have to agree backwoodsbob Jan 2014 #94

Jury schmury! RandiFan1290 Jan 2014 #70

Let's agree that some people might deserve the death penalty. How do you make certain pnwmom Jan 2014 #10

You can't. That's all there is to it. nt RedCappedBandit Jan 2014 #20

I agree. As long as there is a death penalty, prosecutors will use the threat of it pnwmom Jan 2014 #32

+1. This! It's why I am against it. joshcryer Jan 2014 #28

GREAT post! Thanks for laying this out so clearly. (n/t) Jim Lane Jan 2014 #58

The death penalty is regressive and barbaric AgingAmerican Jan 2014 #13

I gotta agree with you there. nt cinnabonbon Jan 2014 #52

Agreed! Demanding revenge should be one of them. flvegan Jan 2014 #15

I suppose it should HURT too. Right? Spitfire of ATJ Jan 2014 #23

this is crap, is there anyone who is defending what he did ? i'm pretty sure everyone agrees what he JI7 Jan 2014 #24

I get the sentiment. I do. TDale313 Jan 2014 #26

"...it diminishes all of us." CrispyQ Jan 2014 #85

You don't have to agree with the entire platform you know. joshcryer Jan 2014 #27

Yeah, this ^^^ TDale313 Jan 2014 #39

Am I the only person who wonders how other countries manage without a death penalty? SheilaT Jan 2014 #29

Yeah, well, Portugal legalized drugs, if everyone jumped off a bridge, would you too? AtheistCrusader Jan 2014 #36

actually they decriminalized possession, but close enough. Warren Stupidity Jan 2014 #71

stable western democracies don't practice the death penalty - not anymore - Douglas Carpenter Jan 2014 #30

I don't feel that my political beliefs are bound -- or formed -- by my political party. pacalo Jan 2014 #31

The Innocent Man is a great book which everyone should read. Bluenorthwest Jan 2014 #83

I pity you tkmorris Jan 2014 #33

Executing the killer did not resurrect the victim or heal the survivors. nt Deep13 Jan 2014 #34

Just because some people behave like bloody-minded murdering bastards doesn't mean I have to. AtheistCrusader Jan 2014 #35

He's a monster and needs to be permanently removed from society. Nye Bevan Jan 2014 #37

What is this shit? Scootaloo Jan 2014 #38

Just one more thought for those who oppose the death penalty in any and all circumstances: colorado_ufo Jan 2014 #40

Prisons are normally organised according to the risk the prisoner represents muriel_volestrangler Jan 2014 #64

Almost every other developed democracy manages to have humane incarceration systems Warren Stupidity Jan 2014 #72

I'd be lying if I didn't acknowledge an instinct for revenge. MADem Jan 2014 #41

I'm pretty ambivalent on the death penalty. BlueEye Jan 2014 #42

Regional? Well Michigan which is not so far away was the 1st English speaking Bluenorthwest Jan 2014 #84

I woudln't deny for a second that what he did was heinous. that has little do cali Jan 2014 #43

Killing to punish killing. Killing as a deterrant to killing. FUCKING INSANITY cali Jan 2014 #44

I agree. Niceguy1 Jan 2014 #45

Aside from the DP discussion, what is the point of you refering to the party platform? redgreenandblue Jan 2014 #46

Heart felt, highly emotional, and still flat out wrong. Egalitarian Thug Jan 2014 #47

Registering for a Party doesn't mean you are legally bound to do anything JI7 Jan 2014 #48

arguments against the dp politicman Jan 2014 #49

There is one, and only one reason to support the death penalty, period. Egalitarian Thug Jan 2014 #54

nobody defended what he did. Nobody defended inflicting pain or suffering--except you fishwax Jan 2014 #50

wow. a well deserved hide. advocating torture? sick, sick shit of the ugliest kind. shocking. cali Jan 2014 #51

I reported it. It was disturbing in a way I've never seen on here before. Gravitycollapse Jan 2014 #56

well, thanks fro alerting on it. cali Jan 2014 #60

NEVER a reason for capital punishment - the state does not have a right to take a life DrDan Jan 2014 #53

I agree 2000%... sendero Jan 2014 #57

for me, one individual, however heinous his acts, is not the point cali Jan 2014 #59

This is absolutely disgusting. Sheldon Cooper Jan 2014 #61

It's pretty upsetting cali Jan 2014 #62

The level of fantasizing and planning involved in such a proposal is... Sheldon Cooper Jan 2014 #63

It is honestly frightening infoviro Jan 2014 #75

Rather new to be throwing around suggestions like that, aren't you? A HERETIC I AM Jan 2014 #81

I don't think this is evil or disgusting, but I do think it's misguided. Donald Ian Rankin Jan 2014 #65

One of the reasons that I am 100% avebury Jan 2014 #66

For years I was on the fence about the death penalty and maybe it was never clear for me davidpdx Jan 2014 #67

His crime was awful, no question. I still oppose the death penalty. Shrike47 Jan 2014 #68

There are people in this country who do horrible things. surrealAmerican Jan 2014 #69

In principle, I don't disagree Prophet 451 Jan 2014 #73

Crime victims suffering is not the reason for the DP to begin with treestar Jan 2014 #74

Death jollyreaper2112 Jan 2014 #76

This message was self-deleted by its author Ilsa Jan 2014 #78

While opposing the penalty in principle, I also don't give a hoot for folks like Dennis McGuire Kaleva Jan 2014 #79

He had a nearly 25 year reprieve from his fate. aikoaiko Jan 2014 #86

thank you for remembering the victims hfojvt Jan 2014 #87

How many Innocent people have been put to death? B Calm Jan 2014 #88

NO NO NO SoLeftIAmRight Jan 2014 #89

I see what you're saying, but Lunacee_2013 Jan 2014 #90

Then, all of the sudden, you have Australia! n/t A HERETIC I AM Jan 2014 #91

Lol. Lunacee_2013 Jan 2014 #97

But here's the problem . . . markpkessinger Jan 2014 #92

"But I could equally say that nowhere in your argument is there any mention of the incalculable pnwmom Jan 2014 #95

Thank you . . . markpkessinger Jan 2014 #96