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MADem

(135,425 posts)
53. Why am I not surprised?
Sat Mar 17, 2012, 02:45 PM
Mar 2012

You do know that dogs also pant when they have experienced trauma (like extreme cold) or are in pain? No...I'll bet you don't know that, either. Good grief. I "don't buy" a single thing you have had to say on this topic. Not one thing.

The rumor is, the dog ran away. If true, I can't blame him.

http://www.slate.com/blogs/browbeat/2012/02/16/romney_s_dog_seamus_did_he_run_away_to_canada_.html

Paging Gail Collins: the shameful tale of Seamus, Mitt Romney’s Irish setter—whom the candidate stuck in a crate and strapped to the roof of his car on a 12 hour ride to Canada—may have ended with a stroke of poetic justice. According to a piece on Politicker yesterday, Romney’s sons told reporters in an off-record conversation that the dog ran away when the family got to Ontario. Such a revelation, if true, gives the lie to Romney’s now nearly five-year-old claim that Seamus liked riding on top of the station wagon. (“He scrambled up there every time we went on trips,” the governor insisted. “He got it all by himself and enjoyed it.” To which we say: That is either one small station wagon or one very athletic dog).

Others have already disputed the idea that Seamus appreciated his wind-blown tours atop the family car. The 2007 Globe story describing the 1983 event recounted how Romney’s son at one point saw “a brown liquid … dripping down the back window, payback from an Irish setter who’d been riding on the roof in the wind for hours.” That Seamus suffered from diarrhea during the trip was taken as evidence that he and his owner disagreed about the wisdom of the travel arrangement. Earlier this week, an anti-Romney protest was held outside the Westminster dog show. And, in a Dan Savage-like move, Google users recently conspired to transform Romney’s name into a verb meaning “to defecate in fear.”

Is that fair, though? Do we know that Seamus defecated because he was afraid? We called a veterinarian and asked if it were possible that the dog just pooped because it needed to, without all the Sturm and Drang. Dr. Rawstrom of the MacArthur Animal Hospital in D.C. set us straight. “Dogs try to be clean, hygienic animals,” she said. “They prefer clean environments; that’s why one principle of crate training is to give them a space large enough to move around in but small enough that they don’t want to defecate inside.” Most housetrained (and healthy) dogs, she continued, will not poop on themselves. While Seamus could have “gone” out of desperation rather than fear, his runny stool indicates that he was experiencing high levels of stress. So, no, it’s not likely that the Irish setter was merely and unproblematically expressing his animal nature.

All this speculation may be moot, however, if Seamus voted with his feet and fled the premises. Mitt’s wife Ann has reassured everyone that the dog “lived to a ripe old age, basking in the affection of a large family.” We like to think he spent his golden years in Canada, an outlaw, never setting foot in or on or even near an automobile again.

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I do not own a dog... [View all] cynatnite Mar 2012 OP
Now imagine how that motherfucker would treat us! lonestarnot Mar 2012 #1
Romney, the elitist jerk in his Mama jeans, just dosen't get the fact crunch60 Mar 2012 #11
Because even after 20 years, he is still "clueless". PearliePoo2 Mar 2012 #2
and to initially be PROUD of his actions and think it portrayed him in a masterful light! Arugula Latte Mar 2012 #3
yep. BlancheSplanchnik Mar 2012 #6
Which is of course Maynar Mar 2012 #55
This single incident resonates with everybody. It represents everything that is wrong with Romney. yardwork Mar 2012 #4
For me, it even overrides my ideological sentiments. . . Stargleamer Mar 2012 #5
Some things come back to bite you in the ass. lunatica Mar 2012 #7
no remorse G_j Mar 2012 #9
I do own a dog and I feel exactly as you describe BlancheSplanchnik Mar 2012 #8
I can only imagine Aerows Mar 2012 #10
I've read that Seamus bolted as soon as he was let out... targetpractice Mar 2012 #12
he was seen again magical thyme Mar 2012 #16
That was Romney's cover story... I assumed. targetpractice Mar 2012 #24
Don't forget the wife. What woman would allow her husband to do this unless she was Booster Mar 2012 #30
I don't think the dog came out of the cage when he got hosed down. MADem Mar 2012 #40
Roomney is a souless pos Kyad06 Mar 2012 #13
This is such a non-story. LisaL Mar 2012 #14
Thats BS Kyad06 Mar 2012 #17
speed limit in 1983 was 55 hfojvt Mar 2012 #27
It wasn't enforced in MA or many other New England states. MADem Mar 2012 #42
well Boy Scouts like myself always drove 60 back then. hfojvt Mar 2012 #58
Thank you for illustrating my point. MADem Mar 2012 #62
being inside the car with the family and sticking your head out a window magical thyme Mar 2012 #22
He was too cheap Aerows Mar 2012 #36
The luggage was in the car with them, and the dog was on top of the car, tblue37 Mar 2012 #71
Animal Cruelty may be a non-story to you Aerows Mar 2012 #26
Some thoughts just don't merit a posting. TahitiNut Mar 2012 #28
They really don't Aerows Mar 2012 #48
Dog inside the car vs strapped on top in a crate - you don't see a difference? nadine_mn Mar 2012 #70
Imagine that scene of the Roomneys cruising down the highway with dog shit running down the winows Kyad06 Mar 2012 #15
It's not funny, though Aerows Mar 2012 #49
Don't forget--the poor dog crapped himself in fear, and RMoney's "solution" was to blast the dog's MADem Mar 2012 #18
well nobody knows that hfojvt Mar 2012 #25
Would you like to test the theory, then? MADem Mar 2012 #31
it is true, I know no more about the temperature than you do hfojvt Mar 2012 #50
Keep revealing yourself--calling other people "clearly psychotic" says much about you. MADem Mar 2012 #59
My mom's dog peed in his crate... cynatnite Mar 2012 #74
Yep. It's Dog Care 101. MADem Mar 2012 #77
Yes, it was quick and devastating... cynatnite Mar 2012 #78
Awww geez. MADem Mar 2012 #79
uhm, you were the one who started with hfojvt Mar 2012 #85
It's not a case of "my tribe"s" Progressive dog Mar 2012 #87
But that isn't what I said--see, you can't even be forthright in defending yourself. MADem Mar 2012 #88
That part of the story has already been vetted Aerows Mar 2012 #38
uhm, yes, we know that the dog crapped hfojvt Mar 2012 #52
I'd be stunned Aerows Mar 2012 #56
thanks to my bloodline, I always have the luck of the Irish hfojvt Mar 2012 #60
you soak the dogs before you put them INSIDE the car magical thyme Mar 2012 #72
What is the source of this story lacrew Mar 2012 #19
the source seems to be Gail Collins of the NYT hfojvt Mar 2012 #23
Hosing the dog down and leaving him to be cold Aerows Mar 2012 #33
huh? hfojvt Mar 2012 #46
Tammy Baldwin Aerows Mar 2012 #51
Actually, I have met her in person hfojvt Mar 2012 #64
Lucky you Aerows Mar 2012 #67
No, as your quotation indicates, the original source was in the Boston Globe story. Jim Lane Mar 2012 #35
don't get all Redlegs on me hfojvt Mar 2012 #44
"...the air-brushed family..." xxqqqzme Mar 2012 #41
The confirmation came from Mittsy, Tagg, et. al. You can't wish that away. MADem Mar 2012 #47
The source is a FIRST PERSON INTERVIEW in 2007 with the Boston Globe. MADem Mar 2012 #37
Bummer. I had to do without a dog for two years a while back - the house seemed "empty". HopeHoops Mar 2012 #20
my sister always crates her dogs hfojvt Mar 2012 #21
My 105 lbs Doberman loved his crate Aerows Mar 2012 #29
I tend to believe Rommey hfojvt Mar 2012 #39
Why am I not surprised? MADem Mar 2012 #53
Sorry, confining a dog for a 12 hour ride on the roof of a car is asinine Stargleamer Mar 2012 #57
You wanted to smack a cop Aerows Mar 2012 #61
Do YOU own a dog? hfojvt Mar 2012 #65
Great troll Aerows Mar 2012 #66
On second thought Aerows Mar 2012 #63
You know better , don't feed them. bahrbearian Mar 2012 #80
:/ Aerows Mar 2012 #82
yeah, welcome to DU hfojvt Mar 2012 #84
consider the big picture hollysmom Mar 2012 #69
Supposedly the dog wasn't given away--it ran away. MADem Mar 2012 #89
Awesome. flvegan Mar 2012 #86
I've participated in this thread.... MADem Mar 2012 #90
How does your sister feel about crating a dog on top of a car at 70 mph? aint_no_life_nowhere Mar 2012 #34
I will ask her, but I bet her husband, a huge Republican, is not concerned hfojvt Mar 2012 #43
My mom's dog slept in his crate every night... cynatnite Mar 2012 #75
Remember, Republicans LIKE torture ErikJ Mar 2012 #32
Or develop a new method of torture: autoboarding Blue Owl Mar 2012 #91
I believe Romney libmom74 Mar 2012 #45
Damn right. nt MADem Mar 2012 #54
We could also libmom74 Mar 2012 #68
Any way one looks at this the Romneys' response was completely unempathetic. hue Mar 2012 #73
I don't even want to try to imagine what that dog went through. EFerrari Mar 2012 #76
Well nobody's perfect mythology Mar 2012 #81
If you think Romney should be confronted about libmom74 Mar 2012 #83
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