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Donald Ian Rankin

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23. More sensitive police would prevent rapes in the long term.
Sun Jan 19, 2014, 10:38 AM
Jan 2014

More training for the police on how to handle rape victims = less trauma admitting you've been raped + more effort in investigating claims of rape.

less trauma admitting you've been raped = more rape victims come forwards

more effort in investigating claims of rape = rape victims who come forwards being more likely to get their attackers convicted.

more rape victims coming forward + rape victims who come forwards being more likely to get their attackers convicted = more rapists being convicted

more rapists being convicted = fewer men daring to commit rape.

The deterrent effect of prison has a lot more to do with how likely you are to be sentenced than it does to do with how harsh the sentence will be, I believe. At present, very few rapists get convicted, and so there's very little deterrent. There are a large number of contributory factors to that - noteably, the fact that in a significant fraction of rapes there's no evidence other than the victim's testimony, and it's hard to see how those can ever get convictions - but two of the larger ones that *can* be fixed are victims not coming forwards, and victims not being taken seriously when they do come forwards. And both of those can be partially addressed by more training for the police.

> Also, rape culture has a Wikipedia entry--not the toughest term to read up on.

From that page: "Although the concept of rape culture is used in feminist academia,[8] there is disagreement over what defines a rape culture and to what degree a given society meets the criteria to be considered a rape culture.[3]"

I'm not disputing that it's a widely used term, I'm claiming that it's not a well-defined one, and that - like all terms that aren't well-defined - that means that it's not a useful one.

> If you're saying that teaching boys in school to not rape ("sex education&quot would reduce rape frequency, you're conceding the existence of rape culture.

I'm not - and throughout this thread have not been, if you look back - denying that some of the things that some people refer to as "rape culture" exist; I'm denying that using that term to refer to those things, rather than talking about them directly, is useful.

"Sex education in schools would (inter alia) lead to fewer rapes, and therefor is a good idea" is a clear and meaningful statement.
"The US has a rape culture, and therefor needs more sex education in schools" is not.

I think that what matters is the number of rapes committed per year, and how the victims are treated, not whether or not it's decided that that adds up to a "rape culture" or not (I suspect you agree with me about this?). And I don't think that answering the second question will help answer the first at all (you clearly disagree with me about this, but I think you are mistaken).

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War...What's It Good For? grilled onions Jan 2014 #1
you are correct. not to mention, that the money used to fuel the insatiable war machine takes niyad Jan 2014 #2
Speaking as a European Jew: you're an offensive fool Donald Ian Rankin Jan 2014 #6
It's good for stopping armies that would use rape as a weapon. Nuclear Unicorn Jan 2014 #9
. . . niyad Jan 2014 #3
Rape has always been a weapon of war, hasn't it? cinnabonbon Jan 2014 #4
people can recognize a rape culture very easily La Lioness Priyanka Jan 2014 #5
Wait, what? Donald Ian Rankin Jan 2014 #7
no, i am addressing the issue of denying rape culture. nt La Lioness Priyanka Jan 2014 #10
I think it's a meaningless and counterproductive term, if that counts as denying it? Donald Ian Rankin Jan 2014 #13
denying elements of misogyny that leads to more or less rape La Lioness Priyanka Jan 2014 #14
actually, yes it does count as denying it. but, keep trying. niyad Jan 2014 #16
Snark 1, Content 0. N.T. Donald Ian Rankin Jan 2014 #17
Yeah, misogyny is totally unrelated to rape, geek tragedy Jan 2014 #19
I think you must be replying to some other post. Donald Ian Rankin Jan 2014 #20
If you're saying that teaching boys in school to not rape ("sex education") geek tragedy Jan 2014 #22
More sensitive police would prevent rapes in the long term. Donald Ian Rankin Jan 2014 #23
You're citing elements of rape culture--poor treatment of victims, relative impunity for geek tragedy Jan 2014 #24
I didn't realize the US army raped our Civilians. Thanks for the insight! Katashi_itto Jan 2014 #11
is that at all what i said? why are you making shit up La Lioness Priyanka Jan 2014 #12
No, just each other as well as women in places like Okinawa. geek tragedy Jan 2014 #18
Yes of course that's formal military SOP and tactics. I didn't realize! Katashi_itto Jan 2014 #21
K&R Solly Mack Jan 2014 #8
. . . niyad Jan 2014 #15
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