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underthematrix

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48. Sen. Sanders has been both supportive and critical of President Obama and this seems fines to me.

Sun Jan 19, 2014, 12:58 PM

Jan 2014

However, what I always have a problem with are politicians who seem to think that trade policies, the NSA, healthcare are all either or propositions. Sen. Sanders seems to present his arguments in black and white even though he may know that policy construction and implementation is much more complicated. I often wonder if he presents his positions that way because he believes (and I definitely agree) most people lack the capacity to think in gray.

Would I vote for Bernie Sanders for President. Probably not. I think Presidents have to have NERVES OF STEEL If Sen. Sanders became President, he would learn quickly what all presidents learn. Their decisions are usually a choice between worse and worser. This is what President said to Brian Williams during an interview that occurred early in his first term.

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Bernie Sanders is and continues to be critical of President Obama [View all] cali Jan 2014 OP

I hope he runs for President in 2016 - to offer an alternative to the bipartisan consensus on Douglas Carpenter Jan 2014 #1

I hope Bernie runs for President, for a different reason ... 1StrongBlackMan Jan 2014 #20

Given that almost everybody agrees with Sen. Sanders on basic economic issues - even many rank and Douglas Carpenter Jan 2014 #35

Let me amend my previous post ... 1StrongBlackMan Jan 2014 #47

Why is truth.... daleanime Jan 2014 #58

That's my point ... 1StrongBlackMan Jan 2014 #60

LOL. This canard *again*? woo me with science Jan 2014 #61

A cannard ... 1StrongBlackMan Jan 2014 #66

Explain how corporate money 'allows' us to 'ignore reality'. What reality? We are not ignoring sabrina 1 Jan 2014 #78

The reality that ... 1StrongBlackMan Jan 2014 #84

From one desperate Third Way talking point to the next. woo me with science Jan 2014 #90

Well 1StrongBlackMan Jan 2014 #98

Oh, my. woo me with science Jan 2014 #99

Why do you have "Science" in your screen-name ... 1StrongBlackMan Jan 2014 #102

Ad hominem and stale propaganda. woo me with science Jan 2014 #107

You whine about Ad hominem ... 1StrongBlackMan Jan 2014 #110

Where did I call you a name? woo me with science Jan 2014 #111

Okay.n/t 1StrongBlackMan Jan 2014 #116

+1 a great big bunch! Enthusiast Jan 2014 #149

wmws is correct and in case you haven't noticed, the ThirdWay corporate garbage that has sabrina 1 Jan 2014 #140

Brilliant post. Enthusiast Jan 2014 #148

+1 dreamnightwind Jan 2014 #134

Great post! Enthusiast Jan 2014 #150

That is desperate, dark comedy. +1! Enthusiast Jan 2014 #151

This gets to the crux of the issue. Enthusiast Jan 2014 #153

They aren't allowed to. bvar22 Jan 2014 #95

Who stopped them ... 1StrongBlackMan Jan 2014 #100

I see you didn't read the above post. bvar22 Jan 2014 #106

That's all you can say to that? dreamnightwind Jan 2014 #135

Yep ... 1StrongBlackMan Jan 2014 #137

Thank you. woo me with science Jan 2014 #103

maybe we can't win because we do not count our votes questionseverything Jan 2014 #109

Counting votes means nothing if both candidates are corporate-bought. woo me with science Jan 2014 #113

halter lost that primary,he was a non corporate voice questionseverything Jan 2014 #115

I agree with you that the voting needs reform, too. woo me with science Jan 2014 #117

Because they are given no choice. See Buono in NJ, deserted by her own party sabrina 1 Jan 2014 #163

Thank you, sabrina 1! Enthusiast Jan 2014 #147

"The corporate money that we both lament..." woo me with science Jan 2014 #79

"3rd-Way" ... 1StrongBlackMan Jan 2014 #86

But it hasn't completely controlled the Party until 1992. bvar22 Jan 2014 #108

The billionaire purchased austerity propaganda policy mill '3rd Way' is a product Dragonfli Jan 2014 #112

at least he's more honest that sec. Gates chieffeathers Jan 2014 #89

"This gets very, very old. " DonCoquixote Jan 2014 #142

Thank you, woo me with science! Enthusiast Jan 2014 #146

Me too! Enthusiast Jan 2014 #145

No, ProSense Jan 2014 #2

trying to force a sqare peg into a round hole is just what you do. cali Jan 2014 #8

Did President Obama force Senator Sanders to vote to cut food stamps? ProSense Jan 2014 #13

A number of Third-Way posters are trying to capture progressive sentiment. Wilms Jan 2014 #18

yep. and they can't bear any criticism of the object of their adoration. cali Jan 2014 #22

President Signs Veterans COLA Bill ProSense Jan 2014 #26

Show me Sander's praise for drones. Wilms Jan 2014 #32

I don't recall ... 1StrongBlackMan Jan 2014 #41

Are you a fan of Counterpunch? ProSense Jan 2014 #42

Yeah ... 1StrongBlackMan Jan 2014 #49

Pretty specious. You call that support? Wilms Jan 2014 #52

That's opposition to Brennan. ProSense Jan 2014 #63

Post removed Post removed Jan 2014 #143

You, know what's a "shock"? ProSense Jan 2014 #158

Bernie Sanders politics are not different than Obama's dennis4868 Jan 2014 #3

LOL L0oniX Jan 2014 #7

Rustle up the tsarina and the skate punk and have a big ol' laugh fest...eom Kolesar Jan 2014 #10

LOL X 2 Enthusiast Jan 2014 #155

That's a fair point...eom Kolesar Jan 2014 #9

Lol. long before Obama became President, he was corporate friendly in a way that Sanders cali Jan 2014 #11

Is there a complete sentence in there somewhere, cali? eom Kolesar Jan 2014 #17

LOL!!! Drunken Irishman Jan 2014 #88

Long before Obama became Prez he was campaigning for Bernie Sanders. JaneyVee Jan 2014 #114

Why do you make me keep posting this? woo me with science Jan 2014 #15

"Why do you make me keep posting this?" ProSense Jan 2014 #19

BWAH HA HA HA HA HA HA woo me with science Jan 2014 #39

LOL! ProSense Jan 2014 #46

+ a shit load......nt Enthusiast Jan 2014 #156

don't confuse them with the record. cali Jan 2014 #27

LOL! ProSense Jan 2014 #29

Impressive list of blue links ... 1StrongBlackMan Jan 2014 #51

Apparently googling is difficult for you? nt woo me with science Jan 2014 #54

No ... 1StrongBlackMan Jan 2014 #57

Either you are abysmally bad at googling, woo me with science Jan 2014 #64

LOL "propaganda commercial" ProSense Jan 2014 #72

How is that the least bit responsive to this? 1StrongBlackMan Jan 2014 #136

Responsive to what? You haven't made a point. woo me with science Jan 2014 #141

No ... 1StrongBlackMan Jan 2014 #154

BAM! Number23 Jan 2014 #127

Shhhh ... 1StrongBlackMan Jan 2014 #139

Keep reminding us. 840high Jan 2014 #82

Exactly treestar Jan 2014 #24

Many here on DU don't get that. dennis4868 Jan 2014 #50

How about this phrasing ... 1StrongBlackMan Jan 2014 #33

yep, that's exactly why BHO proposed chained-cpi stupidicus Jan 2014 #76

The austerity skin of the Third Way corporate lizard woo me with science Jan 2014 #83

LOL stupidicus Jan 2014 #161

This is good: ProSense Jan 2014 #4

bzzzt. yet another fail. but I am delighted to watch your, er, antics. Most amusing. cali Jan 2014 #12

enthsiastic support like this: cali Jan 2014 #14

Obama makes ProSense Jan 2014 #34

K & R L0oniX Jan 2014 #5

"Trying to use Bernie to burnish President Obama's liberal credentials is dishonest. " Kolesar Jan 2014 #6

Trying to use him to divide Democrats treestar Jan 2014 #25

The original poster does this for stimulation Kolesar Jan 2014 #36

You should have asked him to primary Obama back in 2011. JoePhilly Jan 2014 #16

Why? All I'm doing is setting the record straight. Yes, Bernie supports the President cali Jan 2014 #21

Then he must be part of the problem. JoePhilly Jan 2014 #23

no, the president's pro corporate policies are the problem- not bernie's opposition to them cali Jan 2014 #28

Did President Obama ProSense Jan 2014 #31

If he voted for President Obama, Bernie is part of the problem. JoePhilly Jan 2014 #43

Oops ... 1StrongBlackMan Jan 2014 #55

Pragmatism washes off of Bernie. nt JoePhilly Jan 2014 #62

You are missing Joe's point. I love Bernie and he phrases things better than anyone on income stevenleser Jan 2014 #53

Exactly ... its easy to be ideological, right up until you have to JoePhilly Jan 2014 #59

I really would like to think ... 1StrongBlackMan Jan 2014 #67

While I did not include that in my post ... JoePhilly Jan 2014 #69

Actually ... 1StrongBlackMan Jan 2014 #73

Or run for President. ProSense Jan 2014 #68

yup. nt JoePhilly Jan 2014 #70

Notice the OP ProSense Jan 2014 #74

That's a great example ... JoePhilly Jan 2014 #75

Precisely! Any anonymous internet schmuck can piss and moan about what they perceive ... 11 Bravo Jan 2014 #122

Nothing wrong with that! I like critical thinkers. Rex Jan 2014 #30

He is critical where appropriate and supportive where appropriate. geek tragedy Jan 2014 #37

Interesting... SunsetDreams Jan 2014 #40

So..sometimes he is critical where waranted...and sometimes he is supportive where it is warranted SunsetDreams Jan 2014 #38

Heh. Great minds think alike. geek tragedy Jan 2014 #44

IKR!? Oh no the guy can think for himself and has critical thinking skills! Rex Jan 2014 #45

Sen. Sanders has been both supportive and critical of President Obama and this seems fines to me. underthematrix Jan 2014 #48

it obviously makes por sense to claim otherwise stupidicus Jan 2014 #56

"us racist BHO-haters" ProSense Jan 2014 #77

All who disagree with Obama on policy are haters who do so on racist grounds Fumesucker Jan 2014 #80

Really? You believe that? n/t ProSense Jan 2014 #81

Evidently there are some here who believe six impossible things before breakfast Fumesucker Jan 2014 #105

as designated by the BHO cult members stupidicus Jan 2014 #160

Derp. BumRushDaShow Jan 2014 #65

Bernie continues to represent the best interests of the american people, Obama doesn't always on point Jan 2014 #71

Big Bernie fan here. 840high Jan 2014 #85

+10000 No corporate Trojan horse there. woo me with science Jan 2014 #87

Hey ProSense Jan 2014 #92

I don't click on your blind links, ProSense. woo me with science Jan 2014 #94

LOL! ProSense Jan 2014 #96

K&R woo me with science Jan 2014 #91

I never would have pegged Sanders as a racist. hughee99 Jan 2014 #93

Changed my Mind. Creating an OP. MineralMan Jan 2014 #97

Bernie Sanders is and continues to be representative of his constituency. Coyotl Jan 2014 #101

Nonsense that constituencies need to change. woo me with science Jan 2014 #118

Yes, ProSense Jan 2014 #120

Sorry, this ProSense commercial has already been evaluated woo me with science Jan 2014 #129

You do ProSense Jan 2014 #130

You mean the Dodd-Frank he later endorsed gutting. woo me with science Jan 2014 #131

No, ProSense Jan 2014 #132

No. True. Coyotl Jan 2014 #123

"if you don't like Obama." woo me with science Jan 2014 #124

Why are you calling nonsense on me then? I ignored nothing. Coyotl Jan 2014 #125

You repeated a blatant falsehood and Third Way talking point, woo me with science Jan 2014 #126

I would hope Senator Sanders would not be critical of President Obama unless promoting/ indepat Jan 2014 #104

Your divisive propaganda was once again thoroughly debunked by ProSense and others. great white snark Jan 2014 #119

LOL. woo me with science Jan 2014 #121

That subthread between Prosense, JoePhilly and 1SBM pretty much demolished this OP Number23 Jan 2014 #128

you don't understand politics and how things work in the real world. But then again a comforting Douglas Carpenter Jan 2014 #159

You'll Never Turn The Apologists colsohlibgal Jan 2014 #133

That was contentless...eom Kolesar Jan 2014 #138

Recommended X 1000! Enthusiast Jan 2014 #144

well someone has to... madrchsod Jan 2014 #152

Joe Manchin, Joe Liberman, and many Democrats Progressive dog Jan 2014 #157

In a democracy, it is the peoples' responsibility to hold public servants accountable. Tierra_y_Libertad Jan 2014 #162