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ProSense

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62. LOL! Wait
Sun Jan 19, 2014, 03:12 PM
Jan 2014

"Psst. I'm referring to this thread, not your usual attempts to distract."

...what "attempts to distract"? He's likely going to snatch this issue from the RW libertarians. It has been building.

U.S. Orders More Steps to Curb Stiff Drug Sentences

By CHARLIE SAVAGE

WASHINGTON — The Obama administration on Thursday expanded its effort to curtail severe penalties for low-level federal drug offenses, ordering prosecutors to refile charges against defendants in pending cases and strip out any references to specific quantities of illicit substances that would trigger mandatory minimum sentencing laws.

The move, announced by Attorney General Eric H. Holder Jr. at a speech before the annual conference of the Congressional Black Caucus, builds on a major policy change he unveiled last month to avoid mandatory minimum sentencing laws in future low-level cases.

“By reserving the most severe prison terms for serious, high-level, or violent drug traffickers or kingpins, we can better enhance public safety,” Mr. Holder said. “We can increase our focus on proven strategies for deterrence and rehabilitation. And we can do so while making our expenditures smarter and more productive.”

The policy applies to defendants who meet four criteria: their offense did not involve violence, the use of a weapon, or selling drugs to minors; they are not leaders of a criminal organization; they have no significant ties to large-scale gangs or drug trafficking organizations; and they have no significant criminal histories.

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http://www.nytimes.com/2013/09/20/us/politics/administration-orders-new-step-to-curtail-stiff-drug-sentences.html

Background on progress.

Justice Is Served

By Laura W. Murphy

June 2011 marks the 40th anniversary of President Richard Nixon's declaration of a "war on drugs" — a war that has cost roughly a trillion dollars, has produced little to no effect on the supply of or demand for drugs in the United States, and has contributed to making America the world's largest incarcerator. Throughout the month, check back daily for posts about the drug war, its victims and what needs to be done to restore fairness and create effective policy.

Today is an exciting day for the ACLU and criminal justice advocates around the country. Following much thought and careful deliberation, the United States Sentencing Commission took another step toward creating fairness in federal sentencing by retroactively applying the new Fair Sentencing Act (FSA) guidelines to individuals sentenced before the law was enacted. This decision will help ensure that over 12,000 people — 85 percent of whom are African-Americans — will have the opportunity to have their sentences for crack cocaine offenses reviewed by a federal judge and possibly reduced.

This decision is particularly important to me because, as director of the ACLU's Washington Legislative Office, I have advocated for Congress and the sentencing commission to reform federal crack cocaine laws for almost 20 years. In 1993, the ACLU lead the coalition that convened the first national symposium highlighting the crack cocaine disparity entitled "The 100 to 1 Ratio: Racial Bias in Cocaine Laws." Now, 25 years after the first crack cocaine law was enacted in the 1986 Anti-Drug Abuse Act, the sentencing commission has taken another step toward ending the racial and sentencing disparities that continue to exist in our criminal justice system.

By voting in favor of retroactivity, I am pleased that the commission chose justice over demagoguery and concluded that retroactivity was necessary to ensuring that the goals of the FSA were fully realized. It is important to remember that even with today's commission vote not every crack cocaine offender will have his or her sentence reduced. Judges are still required to determine whether a person qualifies for a retroactive reduction so, contrary to what some have said, this is not a "get out of jail free card."

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http://www.aclu.org/blog/criminal-law-reform/justice-served

Chance at Freedom: Retroactive Crack Sentence Reductions For Up to 12,000 May Begin Today
http://www.aclu.org/blog/criminal-law-reform/chance-freedom-retroactive-crack-sentence-reductions-12000-may-begin-today

Sentencing Reform Starts to Pay Off

By THE EDITORIAL BOARD

In 2010, Congress passed the Fair Sentencing Act, which reduced the vast disparity in the way the federal courts punish crack versus powder cocaine offenses. Instead of treating 100 grams of cocaine the same as 1 gram of crack for sentencing purposes, the law cut the ratio to 18 to 1. Initially, the law applied only to future offenders, but, a year later, the United States Sentencing Commission voted to apply it retroactively. Republicans raged, charging that crime would go up and that prisoners would overwhelm the courts with frivolous demands for sentence reductions. Senator Charles Grassley of Iowa said the commission was pursuing “a liberal agenda at all costs.”

This week, we began to learn that there are no costs, only benefits. According to a preliminary report released by the commission, more than 7,300 federal prisoners have had their sentences shortened under the law. The average reduction is 29 months, meaning that over all, offenders are serving roughly 16,000 years fewer than they otherwise would have. And since the federal government spends about $30,000 per year to house an inmate, this reduction alone is worth nearly half-a-billion dollars — big money for a Bureau of Prisons with a $7 billion budget. In addition, the commission found no significant difference in recidivism rates between those prisoners who were released early and those who served their full sentences.

Federal judges nationwide have long expressed vigorous disagreement with both the sentencing disparity and the mandatory minimum sentences they are forced to impose, both of which have been drivers of our bloated federal prison system. But two bipartisan bills in Congress now propose a cheaper and more humane approach. It would include reducing mandatory minimums, giving judges more flexibility to sentence below those minimums, and making more inmates eligible for reductions to their sentences under the new ratio.

But 18 to 1 is still out of whack. The ratio was always based on faulty science and misguided assumptions, and it still disproportionately punishes blacks, who make up more than 80 percent of those prosecuted for federal crack offenses. The commission and the Obama administration have called for a 1-to-1 ratio. The question is not whether we can afford to do it, but whether we can afford not to.

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/08/02/opinion/sentencing-reform-starts-to-pay-off.html

Washington Gives Us Something to Get Excited About (No, Really!)
http://www.aclu.org/blog/criminal-law-reform/washington-gives-us-something-get-excited-about-no-really

How to Process Eric Holder’s Major Criminal Law Reform Speech

By Laura W. Murphy

Attorney General Eric Holder just called mass incarceration a moral and economic failure. He just outlined several major proposals that he says will help to ease major overcrowding in federal prisons. And he just suggested that federal prosecutors should avoid harsh mandatory minimums for certain low-level, non-violent drug offenses.

What should we make of the nation’s top prosecutor calling out the US for throwing too many people behind bars and challenging the failed war on drugs?

First off, we should acknowledge that this is a big deal! This is the first speech by any Attorney General calling for such massive criminal justice reforms. This is the first major address from the Obama Administration calling for action to end the mass incarceration crisis and reduce the racial disparities that plague our criminal justice system. In the same speech, the Attorney General committed to take on the school-to-prison pipeline and called on Congress to end the forced budget cuts that have decimated public defenders nationwide. This is great news.

The ACLU can proudly say that it has been deeply engaged in policy discussions with this administration, and Democrats and Republicans in Congress. Many of the reforms that we have long championed made it into the Attorney General’s speech, including:

  1. Developing guidelines to file fewer cases

  2. Directing a group of U.S. Attorneys to examine sentencing disparities and develop recommendations to address them

  3. Directing every U.S. Attorney to designate a Prevention and Reentry Coordinator

  4. Directing every DOJ component to consider whether regulations have collateral consequences that impair reentry

  5. Reducing mandatory minimum charging for low-level drug offenses

  6. Expanding eligibility for compassionate release; and

  7. Identifying and sharing best practices for diversion programs

  8. Calling into question zero tolerance policies and other policies that lead to the school to prison pipeline

  9. Challenging the legal community to make the promise of Gideon (right to counsel) more of a reality

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http://www.aclu.org/blog/criminal-law-reform-racial-justice/how-process-eric-holders-major-criminal-law-reform-speech

Police Groups Furiously Protest Eric Holder's Marijuana Policy Announcement
http://www.democraticunderground.com/1014581533

It will make some people (not you) sad.

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Literally true, but off-base. It is vastly LESS dangerous. cthulu2016 Jan 2014 #1
No kidding. nt woo me with science Jan 2014 #26
Message auto-removed Name removed Jan 2014 #29
Right the kids would be fetter off trying alcohol, passing out and being passed around like Vincardog Jan 2014 #115
Message auto-removed Name removed Jan 2014 #135
hey! hrmjustin Jan 2014 #136
With all the fucked up stuff out there, the least of my worries Luminous Animal Jan 2014 #126
I prefer to say that Obama's statement is false rock Jan 2014 #32
His statement is a vast improvement over his predecessors jmowreader Jan 2014 #116
True, his statement is not rock Jan 2014 #171
Weird that any President even discusses this yeoman6987 Jan 2014 #177
Laying the groundwork for decriminalization at least riderinthestorm Jan 2014 #199
Because, as the TPM link notes RainDog Jan 2014 #208
Perhaps is has something to do with the fact that in Colorado the state took in SomethingFishy Jan 2014 #229
Would you mind posting this is the Drug Policy forum? RainDog Jan 2014 #233
Baby Steps-We're gettin' there n/t fredamae Jan 2014 #85
bingo Champion Jack Jan 2014 #143
He knows that but he’s playing it safe.. busterbrown Jan 2014 #97
His dishonesty doesn't help. Vattel Jan 2014 #160
The main problem with smoking pot is the mechanical damage to lungs from smoke of any kind tavalon Jan 2014 #174
+100,000,000 MrMickeysMom Jan 2014 #175
+1 grahamhgreen Jan 2014 #216
No, alcohol is genuinely dangerous. Deep13 Jan 2014 #2
I just swallowed a tab of Gold Caps. No smoking required NightWatcher Jan 2014 #5
Sorry to hear about your leg pain. Deep13 Jan 2014 #7
I have peripheral neuropathy from a rare auto-immune neuromuscular disease NightWatcher Jan 2014 #10
Years ago a prescription for Marinol was prescribed for HIV waisting .. >> YOHABLO Jan 2014 #134
I had the smallest dose (10mg) and it relaxed my muscles similar to a Flexoril NightWatcher Jan 2014 #140
About 20 years ago tazkcmo Jan 2014 #214
Everything has a lethal dose, even water. Leopolds Ghost Jan 2014 #219
Not very healthy? antiquie Jan 2014 #3
If it's being smoked, no, it's not very healthy. WatermelonRat Jan 2014 #23
I regularly vape for pain. antiquie Jan 2014 #28
It should be fine taken that way. WatermelonRat Jan 2014 #46
Smoking it, like by using hand rolled cigs, is so truedelphi Jan 2014 #87
Are you anti-smoking? Where is our proof that sparking up is bad for you? Vincardog Jan 2014 #118
A marijuana cigarette has the paper involved .. whereby being carcinogenic .. I would think. YOHABLO Jan 2014 #129
You're being sarcastic, right? WatermelonRat Jan 2014 #142
No I am just saying that you made a statement of fact. What study has been done to prove your "fact" Vincardog Jan 2014 #144
Quite a few WatermelonRat Jan 2014 #172
Old time science tavalon Jan 2014 #178
I'm stunned by the momentum. Jesus Malverde Jan 2014 #4
I still can't believe the wrong turn we took in the early 80's. One day I'm walking down the street brewens Jan 2014 #20
Same here skydive forever Jan 2014 #120
+1000 RainDog Jan 2014 #202
But did he tell Holder? Wilms Jan 2014 #6
They say the DOJ will not interfere in CO and WA NightWatcher Jan 2014 #8
Thank you. n/t Wilms Jan 2014 #72
Finally, he's been a thorn in our side. tavalon Jan 2014 #179
Has he told all the US attorneys? The US attorneys are all over the map. You have some who liberal_at_heart Jan 2014 #74
Great point! seattledo Jan 2014 #157
oftentimes it is less dangerous. Throd Jan 2014 #9
It's far LESS dangerous than alcohol. By orders of magnitude. kestrel91316 Jan 2014 #11
Why in the heck can't he say it? pangaia Jan 2014 #80
It's politics. redqueen Jan 2014 #90
Maybe we need Joe Biden to light up, and then truedelphi Jan 2014 #151
Its wishy washy and over cautious, but a big leap forward from the usual rhetoric. Warren Stupidity Jan 2014 #12
+1. It's the best we should expect. I'll take it for now. n/t Dawgs Jan 2014 #15
The quote ProSense Jan 2014 #13
It's true... Gary 50 Jan 2014 #173
Oz of pot = felony ...Oz of alcohol = not even a mild buzz and no DUI. L0oniX Jan 2014 #14
one of the reasons why i love NY. get busted walking down the street with up to an ounce; $50 dionysus Jan 2014 #63
Just like with gay marriage - when the whole country is cool with it, he "leads." polichick Jan 2014 #16
Yup. +1 n/t progressoid Jan 2014 #31
ODS. You got it bad...nt SidDithers Jan 2014 #35
Are you going to claim the prez has led on this? He should have. polichick Jan 2014 #37
Thanks, Obama ProSense Jan 2014 #49
Yeah, thanks for calling off the feds way back in 2009... polichick Jan 2014 #50
Yeah, ProSense Jan 2014 #51
Crumbs before the midterms. Woohoo!! polichick Jan 2014 #54
LOL! ProSense Jan 2014 #57
Psst. I'm referring to this thread, not your usual attempts to distract. polichick Jan 2014 #59
LOL! Wait ProSense Jan 2014 #62
So he did release non-violent offenders from federal prison and... polichick Jan 2014 #66
Don't you ProSense Jan 2014 #68
Yeah, he took office in 2009. The idiotic war on drugs would've ended THEN... polichick Jan 2014 #71
It should ProSense Jan 2014 #77
Should never have been illegal in the first place - which is why it... polichick Jan 2014 #81
Yeah, Obama made Nixon do it. ProSense Jan 2014 #82
Cute, but still no good reason for this simple statement taking five years. polichick Jan 2014 #89
Well, he said it now. Are you happy that he finally did? ProSense Jan 2014 #92
The people unjustly in jail don't think it's as funny as you do. polichick Jan 2014 #93
The people ProSense Jan 2014 #94
Always trying to distract. What about the ones in jail this minute for weed? polichick Jan 2014 #98
You think mentioning the people released is "trying to distract"? n/t ProSense Jan 2014 #102
No - I think a silly statement five years later does not address the issue... polichick Jan 2014 #104
Did you ProSense Jan 2014 #109
Both, as stated. polichick Jan 2014 #125
And he lies and lies on the issue. truedelphi Jan 2014 #150
Yes, glad you mentioned this. I never understood what his was about... polichick Jan 2014 #161
Yeah, Obama, thanks for appointing truedelphi Jan 2014 #113
It's a process, don't you know. Takes time. Nobody is perfect. Yay Obama! polichick Jan 2014 #117
The whole country was cool with marriage equality in 2012? Drunken Irishman Jan 2014 #38
He waited until it was around 60 - very safe. The opposite of "leading." polichick Jan 2014 #39
Bull. Find me a poll from May, 2012, that showed it at 60%. Drunken Irishman Jan 2014 #44
Polls, shmolls. They can read any way the pollsters want. Even at 50-50... polichick Jan 2014 #47
Love the backtrack... Drunken Irishman Jan 2014 #52
Yes, it takes a very bitter person to expect the prez to LEAD... polichick Jan 2014 #58
Oh bullshit. Drunken Irishman Jan 2014 #60
Again with the insults. Try again. polichick Jan 2014 #61
Stop with your bitterness and maybe I'll stop calling you bitter. Drunken Irishman Jan 2014 #65
All you have is insults. I'm interested in policy. polichick Jan 2014 #67
No. I provided facts long ago. You dismissed them and took another shot at Obama... Drunken Irishman Jan 2014 #69
Excuse me for not been ecstatic that the prez waited five years to... polichick Jan 2014 #73
'Simple and safe' because the entire country was behind it, right? Drunken Irishman Jan 2014 #76
Actually, it's you doing the hating. Read your posts. polichick Jan 2014 #79
I only hated on your misstatements... Drunken Irishman Jan 2014 #86
The point - and you know it - is that he waited until it was safe... polichick Jan 2014 #91
That wasn't the point... Drunken Irishman Jan 2014 #101
For me, the point is exactly what I just stated. No need to repeat. polichick Jan 2014 #106
Right. That in 2012, the whole country supported marriage equality... Drunken Irishman Jan 2014 #108
Backtrack? Heck that was moving the goalposts from the football field to the swimming pool. stevenleser Jan 2014 #112
Cute and everything, but don't you think the point is that he waited... polichick Jan 2014 #122
You give Obama credit for people in the nation truedelphi Jan 2014 #75
Did I say Obama is the reason the country accepted it? Drunken Irishman Jan 2014 #78
This thread offers enough ProSense Jan 2014 #88
You kind of have to look at the polling among the 25-45 yr olds.. And support is overwhelming. glowing Jan 2014 #96
Very true. Drunken Irishman Jan 2014 #103
This it would have been a smart political move to advocate Luminous Animal Jan 2014 #131
Exactly.. pangaia Jan 2014 #84
The whole country isn't cool with it yet. SolutionisSolidarity Jan 2014 #127
Thank you, President Obama! RainDog Jan 2014 #17
Lead, follow, or just get out of the way and I'm fine NightWatcher Jan 2014 #18
Try to think of this as an unfolding political moment RainDog Jan 2014 #48
So then what about the thousands of people in jail on non-violent MJ charges? Rex Jan 2014 #19
+1000000 woo me with science Jan 2014 #25
Unfortunately, the U.S. does not have “retroactive ameliorative relief” RainDog Jan 2014 #55
Can that situation be changed? truedelphi Jan 2014 #119
You'd have to ask a lawyer here RainDog Jan 2014 #123
Wow, did not know that! Thank you for the information. Rex Jan 2014 #139
Me too RainDog Jan 2014 #141
I hear that. Rex Jan 2014 #167
When my editor at The Coastal Post asked I research just who it was truedelphi Jan 2014 #149
what a horrible tragedy RainDog Jan 2014 #155
I totally hear you about how hard it is to internally process truedelphi Jan 2014 #204
You should bring this to the attention of musicians RainDog Jan 2014 #211
"so today I am announcing the commutation of all federal prison sentences Nye Bevan Jan 2014 #21
That's what he should have said on Day One. polichick Jan 2014 #41
Nice tavalon Jan 2014 #180
Then he needs to call off his dogs and stop destroying lives. Luminous Animal Jan 2014 #22
Thank you. woo me with science Jan 2014 #24
Hes's likely going to ProSense Jan 2014 #34
So it's about snatching the issue from someone? It should be about justice. polichick Jan 2014 #95
Well, it's going to be about both. ProSense Jan 2014 #99
Sure is - "the sad" is a "leader" who waits to "snatch the issue" rather than... polichick Jan 2014 #100
Evidently, ProSense Jan 2014 #105
Or maybe it's ALL about the libertarians taking this up. polichick Jan 2014 #107
So you're upset that he's snatching this issue away from "libertarians" ProSense Jan 2014 #111
Snatching away, hmm. Why not take a strong stand from the start? SMC22307 Jan 2014 #183
Apparently, ProSense Jan 2014 #185
Obama is following, not leading. SMC22307 Jan 2014 #187
You know, ProSense Jan 2014 #190
You've really got some bizarre projection thing going on... SMC22307 Jan 2014 #221
What's ProSense Jan 2014 #222
LOL SMC22307 Jan 2014 #223
LOL! ProSense Jan 2014 #225
Nerve = struck? SMC22307 Jan 2014 #226
LOL! ProSense Jan 2014 #227
Niiiice projection. SMC22307 Jan 2014 #228
Yeah. It just a fucking power play. How pathetic. Luminous Animal Jan 2014 #124
LOL! ProSense Jan 2014 #128
I've not seen entire communities ruined by weed Scootaloo Jan 2014 #27
This message was self-deleted by its author rdharma Jan 2014 #30
Beg pardon? Scootaloo Jan 2014 #154
Sorry! Misread your post above! nt rdharma Jan 2014 #158
Until he calls for rescheduling at the State of the Union or a similar venue fujiyama Jan 2014 #33
You are a sage and speak eloqently about this current admin... MindMover Jan 2014 #137
A while ago, like ten years back, someone told me that one truedelphi Jan 2014 #152
He has it exactly right. "...on the individual consumer." randome Jan 2014 #36
It's a great solution to some types of insomnia. Schema Thing Jan 2014 #43
Putting a weed in your mouth and setting it on fire is hardly the only way to feel good. randome Jan 2014 #145
Surely you know that the only reasonable response to what you just said is "duh"? Schema Thing Jan 2014 #146
I'll concede that in some circumstances, marijuana will be more effective. randome Jan 2014 #148
Can you smell midterms coming up? woo me with science Jan 2014 #40
No, ProSense Jan 2014 #45
The administration deserves credit for the steps it has taken on criminal justice reform. Comrade Grumpy Jan 2014 #53
In terms of medicinal marijuana, this Administration hasn't done truedelphi Jan 2014 #121
It has, to a considerable degree, laid off medical marijuana. Comrade Grumpy Jan 2014 #200
???? You have no idea. Period. n/t truedelphi Jan 2014 #205
I follow this very closely. Tell me where I'm wrong. I'm waiting. Comrade Grumpy Jan 2014 #206
You "follow" the issue closely. Well goody gum drops for you. truedelphi Jan 2014 #209
anytime a big issue is in the midst of transformation RainDog Jan 2014 #215
As I define the issue, that person is NOT on my side. truedelphi Jan 2014 #218
okay RainDog Jan 2014 #220
Go on tilting at windmills. Let me know when Obama dumps Holder to free the weed. Comrade Grumpy Jan 2014 #232
Five short years ago, tilting at windmills was truedelphi Jan 2014 #234
You don't have the slightest clue about what I have or have not done. Comrade Grumpy Jan 2014 #217
This is what worries me. They are going to promise to do lots of things. The question is liberal_at_heart Jan 2014 #70
Exactly. We've heard similar things. Campaign mode. polichick Jan 2014 #114
It appears ProSense Jan 2014 #188
People want action, not just talk. "Campaign mode" suggests talk. polichick Jan 2014 #189
This, "If Democrats want to win in 2014 ... ," suggests "campaign mode" ProSense Jan 2014 #191
Often ends with talk too. Campaign talk is best taken with a... polichick Jan 2014 #192
Still: "If Democrats want to win in 2014 ..." ProSense Jan 2014 #193
So far we know that Democrats got the message to start bullshitting. polichick Jan 2014 #194
Hey, ProSense Jan 2014 #196
Yes, this is good imo. polichick Jan 2014 #197
This is pretty big because it legitimizes the issue at the highest level of our nation. CFLDem Jan 2014 #42
it would be more helpful if he would say it is time to reschedule marijuana so liberal_at_heart Jan 2014 #56
Well said. It's a matter of words versus concrete actions. woo me with science Jan 2014 #64
There are few topics on which his views don't evolve, are there? lumberjack_jeff Jan 2014 #83
That's coincidental, of course. polichick Jan 2014 #110
Good. A competent politician doesn't pick fights that they will lose. SolutionisSolidarity Jan 2014 #132
I would be dissatisfied with "competent politician" as an epitaph. n/t lumberjack_jeff Jan 2014 #133
Fortunately for all of us, Obama is in no danger of having that as his epitaph. Schema Thing Jan 2014 #147
Agreed. Citizen Activists lead the way in democracies RainDog Jan 2014 #166
look how the 80s ran contrary to the overall trend arely staircase Jan 2014 #203
that graphic RainDog Jan 2014 #212
It's not a losing issue. Get Campaign Barack Obama out there... SMC22307 Jan 2014 #184
I didn't expect any different from "We are the change we've been waiting for" Hippo_Tron Jan 2014 #210
If you want to get really cynical RainDog Jan 2014 #230
+1 n/t NealK Jan 2014 #231
face/palm Tuesday Afternoon Jan 2014 #130
Cannabis SamKnause Jan 2014 #138
He is saying it because it has to be said RainDog Jan 2014 #164
People are complaining, but for a sitting POTUS to say this, is huge. Warren DeMontague Jan 2014 #153
it'll be sort of like this... RainDog Jan 2014 #165
At least we won't have to modify the constitution this time. Liberal Veteran Jan 2014 #168
... RainDog Jan 2014 #201
The most sensible statement ever made by a sitting president on the subject. tritsofme Jan 2014 #156
Exactly, and historically important TheSarcastinator Jan 2014 #163
Yep, way better than "I didn't inhale" tavalon Jan 2014 #181
"I didn't like it and I didn't inhale". Nye Bevan Jan 2014 #186
He ate it and didn't like it. morningfog Jan 2014 #195
pot should be legal frwrfpos Jan 2014 #159
And with that, the moon turned black as sackcloth, rivers ran red with blood, & the sky fell ..twice Warren DeMontague Jan 2014 #162
Damn. That must have been some good weed! Liberal Veteran Jan 2014 #169
I am literally Isoldeblue Jan 2014 #198
Oh come on, we the people say legalize it right fucking now! B Calm Jan 2014 #170
I love how... NCTraveler Jan 2014 #176
It is far less dangerous than alcohol ryan_cats Jan 2014 #182
Good for him. musical_soul Jan 2014 #207
Could be talking about Twinkies tazkcmo Jan 2014 #213
That's MY President. Jamastiene Jan 2014 #224
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