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99. Well, it's going to be about both.

Reply to polichick (Reply #95)

Sun Jan 19, 2014, 03:45 PM

Jan 2014

And the sad is already on display.

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Obama says marijuana ‘no more dangerous than alcohol’ [View all] NightWatcher Jan 2014 OP

Literally true, but off-base. It is vastly LESS dangerous. cthulu2016 Jan 2014 #1

No kidding. nt woo me with science Jan 2014 #26

Message auto-removed Name removed Jan 2014 #29

Right the kids would be fetter off trying alcohol, passing out and being passed around like Vincardog Jan 2014 #115

Message auto-removed Name removed Jan 2014 #135

hey! hrmjustin Jan 2014 #136

With all the fucked up stuff out there, the least of my worries Luminous Animal Jan 2014 #126

I prefer to say that Obama's statement is false rock Jan 2014 #32

His statement is a vast improvement over his predecessors jmowreader Jan 2014 #116

True, his statement is not rock Jan 2014 #171

Weird that any President even discusses this yeoman6987 Jan 2014 #177

Laying the groundwork for decriminalization at least riderinthestorm Jan 2014 #199

Because, as the TPM link notes RainDog Jan 2014 #208

Perhaps is has something to do with the fact that in Colorado the state took in SomethingFishy Jan 2014 #229

Would you mind posting this is the Drug Policy forum? RainDog Jan 2014 #233

Baby Steps-We're gettin' there n/t fredamae Jan 2014 #85

bingo Champion Jack Jan 2014 #143

He knows that but he’s playing it safe.. busterbrown Jan 2014 #97

His dishonesty doesn't help. Vattel Jan 2014 #160

The main problem with smoking pot is the mechanical damage to lungs from smoke of any kind tavalon Jan 2014 #174

+100,000,000 MrMickeysMom Jan 2014 #175

+1 grahamhgreen Jan 2014 #216

No, alcohol is genuinely dangerous. Deep13 Jan 2014 #2

I just swallowed a tab of Gold Caps. No smoking required NightWatcher Jan 2014 #5

Sorry to hear about your leg pain. Deep13 Jan 2014 #7

I have peripheral neuropathy from a rare auto-immune neuromuscular disease NightWatcher Jan 2014 #10

Years ago a prescription for Marinol was prescribed for HIV waisting .. >> YOHABLO Jan 2014 #134

I had the smallest dose (10mg) and it relaxed my muscles similar to a Flexoril NightWatcher Jan 2014 #140

About 20 years ago tazkcmo Jan 2014 #214

Everything has a lethal dose, even water. Leopolds Ghost Jan 2014 #219

Not very healthy? antiquie Jan 2014 #3

If it's being smoked, no, it's not very healthy. WatermelonRat Jan 2014 #23

I regularly vape for pain. antiquie Jan 2014 #28

It should be fine taken that way. WatermelonRat Jan 2014 #46

Smoking it, like by using hand rolled cigs, is so truedelphi Jan 2014 #87

Are you anti-smoking? Where is our proof that sparking up is bad for you? Vincardog Jan 2014 #118

A marijuana cigarette has the paper involved .. whereby being carcinogenic .. I would think. YOHABLO Jan 2014 #129

You're being sarcastic, right? WatermelonRat Jan 2014 #142

No I am just saying that you made a statement of fact. What study has been done to prove your "fact" Vincardog Jan 2014 #144

Quite a few WatermelonRat Jan 2014 #172

Old time science tavalon Jan 2014 #178

I'm stunned by the momentum. Jesus Malverde Jan 2014 #4

I still can't believe the wrong turn we took in the early 80's. One day I'm walking down the street brewens Jan 2014 #20

Same here skydive forever Jan 2014 #120

+1000 RainDog Jan 2014 #202

But did he tell Holder? Wilms Jan 2014 #6

They say the DOJ will not interfere in CO and WA NightWatcher Jan 2014 #8

Thank you. n/t Wilms Jan 2014 #72

Finally, he's been a thorn in our side. tavalon Jan 2014 #179

Has he told all the US attorneys? The US attorneys are all over the map. You have some who liberal_at_heart Jan 2014 #74

Great point! seattledo Jan 2014 #157

oftentimes it is less dangerous. Throd Jan 2014 #9

It's far LESS dangerous than alcohol. By orders of magnitude. kestrel91316 Jan 2014 #11

Why in the heck can't he say it? pangaia Jan 2014 #80

It's politics. redqueen Jan 2014 #90

Maybe we need Joe Biden to light up, and then truedelphi Jan 2014 #151

Its wishy washy and over cautious, but a big leap forward from the usual rhetoric. Warren Stupidity Jan 2014 #12

+1. It's the best we should expect. I'll take it for now. n/t Dawgs Jan 2014 #15

The quote ProSense Jan 2014 #13

It's true... Gary 50 Jan 2014 #173

Oz of pot = felony ...Oz of alcohol = not even a mild buzz and no DUI. L0oniX Jan 2014 #14

one of the reasons why i love NY. get busted walking down the street with up to an ounce; $50 dionysus Jan 2014 #63

Just like with gay marriage - when the whole country is cool with it, he "leads." polichick Jan 2014 #16

Yup. +1 n/t progressoid Jan 2014 #31

ODS. You got it bad...nt SidDithers Jan 2014 #35

Are you going to claim the prez has led on this? He should have. polichick Jan 2014 #37

Thanks, Obama ProSense Jan 2014 #49

Yeah, thanks for calling off the feds way back in 2009... polichick Jan 2014 #50

Yeah, ProSense Jan 2014 #51

Crumbs before the midterms. Woohoo!! polichick Jan 2014 #54

LOL! ProSense Jan 2014 #57

Psst. I'm referring to this thread, not your usual attempts to distract. polichick Jan 2014 #59

LOL! Wait ProSense Jan 2014 #62

So he did release non-violent offenders from federal prison and... polichick Jan 2014 #66

Don't you ProSense Jan 2014 #68

Yeah, he took office in 2009. The idiotic war on drugs would've ended THEN... polichick Jan 2014 #71

It should ProSense Jan 2014 #77

Should never have been illegal in the first place - which is why it... polichick Jan 2014 #81

Yeah, Obama made Nixon do it. ProSense Jan 2014 #82

Cute, but still no good reason for this simple statement taking five years. polichick Jan 2014 #89

Well, he said it now. Are you happy that he finally did? ProSense Jan 2014 #92

The people unjustly in jail don't think it's as funny as you do. polichick Jan 2014 #93

The people ProSense Jan 2014 #94

Always trying to distract. What about the ones in jail this minute for weed? polichick Jan 2014 #98

You think mentioning the people released is "trying to distract"? n/t ProSense Jan 2014 #102

No - I think a silly statement five years later does not address the issue... polichick Jan 2014 #104

Did you ProSense Jan 2014 #109

Both, as stated. polichick Jan 2014 #125

And he lies and lies on the issue. truedelphi Jan 2014 #150

Yes, glad you mentioned this. I never understood what his was about... polichick Jan 2014 #161

Yeah, Obama, thanks for appointing truedelphi Jan 2014 #113

It's a process, don't you know. Takes time. Nobody is perfect. Yay Obama! polichick Jan 2014 #117

The whole country was cool with marriage equality in 2012? Drunken Irishman Jan 2014 #38

He waited until it was around 60 - very safe. The opposite of "leading." polichick Jan 2014 #39

Bull. Find me a poll from May, 2012, that showed it at 60%. Drunken Irishman Jan 2014 #44

Polls, shmolls. They can read any way the pollsters want. Even at 50-50... polichick Jan 2014 #47

Love the backtrack... Drunken Irishman Jan 2014 #52

Yes, it takes a very bitter person to expect the prez to LEAD... polichick Jan 2014 #58

Oh bullshit. Drunken Irishman Jan 2014 #60

Again with the insults. Try again. polichick Jan 2014 #61

Stop with your bitterness and maybe I'll stop calling you bitter. Drunken Irishman Jan 2014 #65

All you have is insults. I'm interested in policy. polichick Jan 2014 #67

No. I provided facts long ago. You dismissed them and took another shot at Obama... Drunken Irishman Jan 2014 #69

Excuse me for not been ecstatic that the prez waited five years to... polichick Jan 2014 #73

'Simple and safe' because the entire country was behind it, right? Drunken Irishman Jan 2014 #76

Actually, it's you doing the hating. Read your posts. polichick Jan 2014 #79

I only hated on your misstatements... Drunken Irishman Jan 2014 #86

The point - and you know it - is that he waited until it was safe... polichick Jan 2014 #91

That wasn't the point... Drunken Irishman Jan 2014 #101

For me, the point is exactly what I just stated. No need to repeat. polichick Jan 2014 #106

Right. That in 2012, the whole country supported marriage equality... Drunken Irishman Jan 2014 #108

Backtrack? Heck that was moving the goalposts from the football field to the swimming pool. stevenleser Jan 2014 #112

Cute and everything, but don't you think the point is that he waited... polichick Jan 2014 #122

You give Obama credit for people in the nation truedelphi Jan 2014 #75

Did I say Obama is the reason the country accepted it? Drunken Irishman Jan 2014 #78

This thread offers enough ProSense Jan 2014 #88

You kind of have to look at the polling among the 25-45 yr olds.. And support is overwhelming. glowing Jan 2014 #96

Very true. Drunken Irishman Jan 2014 #103

This it would have been a smart political move to advocate Luminous Animal Jan 2014 #131

Exactly.. pangaia Jan 2014 #84

The whole country isn't cool with it yet. SolutionisSolidarity Jan 2014 #127

Thank you, President Obama! RainDog Jan 2014 #17

Lead, follow, or just get out of the way and I'm fine NightWatcher Jan 2014 #18

Try to think of this as an unfolding political moment RainDog Jan 2014 #48

So then what about the thousands of people in jail on non-violent MJ charges? Rex Jan 2014 #19

+1000000 woo me with science Jan 2014 #25

Unfortunately, the U.S. does not have “retroactive ameliorative relief” RainDog Jan 2014 #55

Can that situation be changed? truedelphi Jan 2014 #119

You'd have to ask a lawyer here RainDog Jan 2014 #123

Wow, did not know that! Thank you for the information. Rex Jan 2014 #139

Me too RainDog Jan 2014 #141

I hear that. Rex Jan 2014 #167

When my editor at The Coastal Post asked I research just who it was truedelphi Jan 2014 #149

what a horrible tragedy RainDog Jan 2014 #155

I totally hear you about how hard it is to internally process truedelphi Jan 2014 #204

You should bring this to the attention of musicians RainDog Jan 2014 #211

"so today I am announcing the commutation of all federal prison sentences Nye Bevan Jan 2014 #21

That's what he should have said on Day One. polichick Jan 2014 #41

Nice tavalon Jan 2014 #180

Then he needs to call off his dogs and stop destroying lives. Luminous Animal Jan 2014 #22

Thank you. woo me with science Jan 2014 #24

Hes's likely going to ProSense Jan 2014 #34

So it's about snatching the issue from someone? It should be about justice. polichick Jan 2014 #95

Well, it's going to be about both. ProSense Jan 2014 #99

Sure is - "the sad" is a "leader" who waits to "snatch the issue" rather than... polichick Jan 2014 #100

Evidently, ProSense Jan 2014 #105

Or maybe it's ALL about the libertarians taking this up. polichick Jan 2014 #107

So you're upset that he's snatching this issue away from "libertarians" ProSense Jan 2014 #111

Snatching away, hmm. Why not take a strong stand from the start? SMC22307 Jan 2014 #183

Apparently, ProSense Jan 2014 #185

Obama is following, not leading. SMC22307 Jan 2014 #187

You know, ProSense Jan 2014 #190

You've really got some bizarre projection thing going on... SMC22307 Jan 2014 #221

What's ProSense Jan 2014 #222

LOL SMC22307 Jan 2014 #223

LOL! ProSense Jan 2014 #225

Nerve = struck? SMC22307 Jan 2014 #226

LOL! ProSense Jan 2014 #227

Niiiice projection. SMC22307 Jan 2014 #228

Yeah. It just a fucking power play. How pathetic. Luminous Animal Jan 2014 #124

LOL! ProSense Jan 2014 #128

I've not seen entire communities ruined by weed Scootaloo Jan 2014 #27

This message was self-deleted by its author rdharma Jan 2014 #30

Beg pardon? Scootaloo Jan 2014 #154

Sorry! Misread your post above! nt rdharma Jan 2014 #158

Until he calls for rescheduling at the State of the Union or a similar venue fujiyama Jan 2014 #33

You are a sage and speak eloqently about this current admin... MindMover Jan 2014 #137

A while ago, like ten years back, someone told me that one truedelphi Jan 2014 #152

He has it exactly right. "...on the individual consumer." randome Jan 2014 #36

It's a great solution to some types of insomnia. Schema Thing Jan 2014 #43

Putting a weed in your mouth and setting it on fire is hardly the only way to feel good. randome Jan 2014 #145

Surely you know that the only reasonable response to what you just said is "duh"? Schema Thing Jan 2014 #146

I'll concede that in some circumstances, marijuana will be more effective. randome Jan 2014 #148

Can you smell midterms coming up? woo me with science Jan 2014 #40

No, ProSense Jan 2014 #45

The administration deserves credit for the steps it has taken on criminal justice reform. Comrade Grumpy Jan 2014 #53

In terms of medicinal marijuana, this Administration hasn't done truedelphi Jan 2014 #121

It has, to a considerable degree, laid off medical marijuana. Comrade Grumpy Jan 2014 #200

???? You have no idea. Period. n/t truedelphi Jan 2014 #205

I follow this very closely. Tell me where I'm wrong. I'm waiting. Comrade Grumpy Jan 2014 #206

You "follow" the issue closely. Well goody gum drops for you. truedelphi Jan 2014 #209

anytime a big issue is in the midst of transformation RainDog Jan 2014 #215

As I define the issue, that person is NOT on my side. truedelphi Jan 2014 #218

okay RainDog Jan 2014 #220

Go on tilting at windmills. Let me know when Obama dumps Holder to free the weed. Comrade Grumpy Jan 2014 #232

Five short years ago, tilting at windmills was truedelphi Jan 2014 #234

You don't have the slightest clue about what I have or have not done. Comrade Grumpy Jan 2014 #217

This is what worries me. They are going to promise to do lots of things. The question is liberal_at_heart Jan 2014 #70

Exactly. We've heard similar things. Campaign mode. polichick Jan 2014 #114

It appears ProSense Jan 2014 #188

People want action, not just talk. "Campaign mode" suggests talk. polichick Jan 2014 #189

This, "If Democrats want to win in 2014 ... ," suggests "campaign mode" ProSense Jan 2014 #191

Often ends with talk too. Campaign talk is best taken with a... polichick Jan 2014 #192

Still: "If Democrats want to win in 2014 ..." ProSense Jan 2014 #193

So far we know that Democrats got the message to start bullshitting. polichick Jan 2014 #194

Hey, ProSense Jan 2014 #196

Yes, this is good imo. polichick Jan 2014 #197

This is pretty big because it legitimizes the issue at the highest level of our nation. CFLDem Jan 2014 #42

it would be more helpful if he would say it is time to reschedule marijuana so liberal_at_heart Jan 2014 #56

Well said. It's a matter of words versus concrete actions. woo me with science Jan 2014 #64

There are few topics on which his views don't evolve, are there? lumberjack_jeff Jan 2014 #83

That's coincidental, of course. polichick Jan 2014 #110

Good. A competent politician doesn't pick fights that they will lose. SolutionisSolidarity Jan 2014 #132

I would be dissatisfied with "competent politician" as an epitaph. n/t lumberjack_jeff Jan 2014 #133

Fortunately for all of us, Obama is in no danger of having that as his epitaph. Schema Thing Jan 2014 #147

Agreed. Citizen Activists lead the way in democracies RainDog Jan 2014 #166

look how the 80s ran contrary to the overall trend arely staircase Jan 2014 #203

that graphic RainDog Jan 2014 #212

It's not a losing issue. Get Campaign Barack Obama out there... SMC22307 Jan 2014 #184

I didn't expect any different from "We are the change we've been waiting for" Hippo_Tron Jan 2014 #210

If you want to get really cynical RainDog Jan 2014 #230

+1 n/t NealK Jan 2014 #231

face/palm Tuesday Afternoon Jan 2014 #130

Cannabis SamKnause Jan 2014 #138

He is saying it because it has to be said RainDog Jan 2014 #164

People are complaining, but for a sitting POTUS to say this, is huge. Warren DeMontague Jan 2014 #153

it'll be sort of like this... RainDog Jan 2014 #165

At least we won't have to modify the constitution this time. Liberal Veteran Jan 2014 #168

... RainDog Jan 2014 #201

The most sensible statement ever made by a sitting president on the subject. tritsofme Jan 2014 #156

Exactly, and historically important TheSarcastinator Jan 2014 #163

Yep, way better than "I didn't inhale" tavalon Jan 2014 #181

"I didn't like it and I didn't inhale". Nye Bevan Jan 2014 #186

He ate it and didn't like it. morningfog Jan 2014 #195

pot should be legal frwrfpos Jan 2014 #159

And with that, the moon turned black as sackcloth, rivers ran red with blood, & the sky fell ..twice Warren DeMontague Jan 2014 #162

Damn. That must have been some good weed! Liberal Veteran Jan 2014 #169

I am literally Isoldeblue Jan 2014 #198

Oh come on, we the people say legalize it right fucking now! B Calm Jan 2014 #170

I love how... NCTraveler Jan 2014 #176

It is far less dangerous than alcohol ryan_cats Jan 2014 #182

Good for him. musical_soul Jan 2014 #207

Could be talking about Twinkies tazkcmo Jan 2014 #213

That's MY President. Jamastiene Jan 2014 #224