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In reply to the discussion: Bernie Sanders is and continues to be critical of President Obama [View all]woo me with science
(32,139 posts)131. You mean the Dodd-Frank he later endorsed gutting.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/101472644
Please spare the appeals to Elizabeth Warren. Not everyone subscribes to a cult of personality, although it is adorable that all the personality cultists seem to think so.
First, you try to take the focus off the point I made, which is that in every single major policy area, your minutiae are misleading or meaningless; the OVERALL direction of policy has been corporate. And then when you attempt to save yourself from that ugly fact by diverting to a specific issue, you obfuscate. You were not going to mention this bill or President Obama's position on it, because it contradicts the point you are trying to sell.
President Obama has announced, FIVE YEARS INTO HIS PRESIDENCY, that he intends to focus on income inequality. Yet he is simultaneously trying to push through perhaps the most secretive, predatory trade deal in history that will gut salaries for over 90 percent of Americans. And he refuses to remove Social Security cuts from his own budget.
Midterm elections are coming up. We can expect to hear lots of pretty progressive rhetoric and perhaps see some actual termporary feints to the left to try to convince voters that the party has, at long last, heard their voices. After five years of predation, we are to believe that the REAL Third Way has finally arrived. But look at the TPP. Look at the budget. Look at the NSA. Look at the gap between rich and poor. The con game doesn't fly anymore.
Commercials by their very nature attempt to sell, not to discuss honestly. That is why it is seldom useful to argue with them.
Financial regulations gutted in new bill
It's hard to believe that Democrats, who brought you the Dodd-Frank financial regulation act and the Consumer Financial Protection Bureau, are solidly backing a bill that would weaken or obliterate many regulations designed to safeguard investors.
The bill, HR3606, sailed through the House Thursday with 222 Republicans and 168 Democrats voting for it. Only 23 members, all Democrats, voted against it. President Obama has endorsed the bill. The Senate is fast-tracking its own version, which could come to the floor Monday night.
Under the guise of creating jobs, the House bill would make it easier for companies to raise money from the public without fulfilling some - or in certain cases virtually all - of the obligations designed to protect investors in public companies. However, there is no requirement or guarantee that companies would use any of the money to hire a single person.
Read more: http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2012/03/11/BUPU1NIGVF.DTL&type=business
It's hard to believe that Democrats, who brought you the Dodd-Frank financial regulation act and the Consumer Financial Protection Bureau, are solidly backing a bill that would weaken or obliterate many regulations designed to safeguard investors.
The bill, HR3606, sailed through the House Thursday with 222 Republicans and 168 Democrats voting for it. Only 23 members, all Democrats, voted against it. President Obama has endorsed the bill. The Senate is fast-tracking its own version, which could come to the floor Monday night.
Under the guise of creating jobs, the House bill would make it easier for companies to raise money from the public without fulfilling some - or in certain cases virtually all - of the obligations designed to protect investors in public companies. However, there is no requirement or guarantee that companies would use any of the money to hire a single person.
Read more: http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2012/03/11/BUPU1NIGVF.DTL&type=business
Please spare the appeals to Elizabeth Warren. Not everyone subscribes to a cult of personality, although it is adorable that all the personality cultists seem to think so.
First, you try to take the focus off the point I made, which is that in every single major policy area, your minutiae are misleading or meaningless; the OVERALL direction of policy has been corporate. And then when you attempt to save yourself from that ugly fact by diverting to a specific issue, you obfuscate. You were not going to mention this bill or President Obama's position on it, because it contradicts the point you are trying to sell.
President Obama has announced, FIVE YEARS INTO HIS PRESIDENCY, that he intends to focus on income inequality. Yet he is simultaneously trying to push through perhaps the most secretive, predatory trade deal in history that will gut salaries for over 90 percent of Americans. And he refuses to remove Social Security cuts from his own budget.
Midterm elections are coming up. We can expect to hear lots of pretty progressive rhetoric and perhaps see some actual termporary feints to the left to try to convince voters that the party has, at long last, heard their voices. After five years of predation, we are to believe that the REAL Third Way has finally arrived. But look at the TPP. Look at the budget. Look at the NSA. Look at the gap between rich and poor. The con game doesn't fly anymore.
Commercials by their very nature attempt to sell, not to discuss honestly. That is why it is seldom useful to argue with them.
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I hope he runs for President in 2016 - to offer an alternative to the bipartisan consensus on
Douglas Carpenter
Jan 2014
#1
Given that almost everybody agrees with Sen. Sanders on basic economic issues - even many rank and
Douglas Carpenter
Jan 2014
#35
Explain how corporate money 'allows' us to 'ignore reality'. What reality? We are not ignoring
sabrina 1
Jan 2014
#78
wmws is correct and in case you haven't noticed, the ThirdWay corporate garbage that has
sabrina 1
Jan 2014
#140
Counting votes means nothing if both candidates are corporate-bought.
woo me with science
Jan 2014
#113
Because they are given no choice. See Buono in NJ, deserted by her own party
sabrina 1
Jan 2014
#163
The billionaire purchased austerity propaganda policy mill '3rd Way' is a product
Dragonfli
Jan 2014
#112
Lol. long before Obama became President, he was corporate friendly in a way that Sanders
cali
Jan 2014
#11
bzzzt. yet another fail. but I am delighted to watch your, er, antics. Most amusing.
cali
Jan 2014
#12
"Trying to use Bernie to burnish President Obama's liberal credentials is dishonest. "
Kolesar
Jan 2014
#6
Why? All I'm doing is setting the record straight. Yes, Bernie supports the President
cali
Jan 2014
#21
no, the president's pro corporate policies are the problem- not bernie's opposition to them
cali
Jan 2014
#28
You are missing Joe's point. I love Bernie and he phrases things better than anyone on income
stevenleser
Jan 2014
#53
Precisely! Any anonymous internet schmuck can piss and moan about what they perceive ...
11 Bravo
Jan 2014
#122
So..sometimes he is critical where waranted...and sometimes he is supportive where it is warranted
SunsetDreams
Jan 2014
#38
Sen. Sanders has been both supportive and critical of President Obama and this seems fines to me.
underthematrix
Jan 2014
#48
All who disagree with Obama on policy are haters who do so on racist grounds
Fumesucker
Jan 2014
#80
Evidently there are some here who believe six impossible things before breakfast
Fumesucker
Jan 2014
#105
Bernie continues to represent the best interests of the american people, Obama doesn't always
on point
Jan 2014
#71
I would hope Senator Sanders would not be critical of President Obama unless promoting/
indepat
Jan 2014
#104
Your divisive propaganda was once again thoroughly debunked by ProSense and others.
great white snark
Jan 2014
#119
That subthread between Prosense, JoePhilly and 1SBM pretty much demolished this OP
Number23
Jan 2014
#128
you don't understand politics and how things work in the real world. But then again a comforting
Douglas Carpenter
Jan 2014
#159
In a democracy, it is the peoples' responsibility to hold public servants accountable.
Tierra_y_Libertad
Jan 2014
#162