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whistler162

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135. Wood pulp mostly.....

Reply to jazzimov (Reply #75)

Sun Jan 19, 2014, 09:36 PM

Jan 2014

at least in my toilet paper products.

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One cannot simultaneously want the TPP and economic justice for the 99% [View all] MannyGoldstein Jan 2014 OP

Well that is as obvious as the day is long. K/R NYC_SKP Jan 2014 #1

They are sociopaths. And who wants the TPP AND economic justice? I thought sabrina 1 Jan 2014 #2

No they are not! Why are you such a hater! Phlem Jan 2014 #9

Well I talk to people who claim to want both but I can't say I ever sabrina 1 Jan 2014 #28

Sabrina never really loved him!!!1 QC Jan 2014 #32

Absolutely right, my dear Manny... CaliforniaPeggy Jan 2014 #3

yes but one can PRETEND to want economic justice for the 99% until one gets the TPP passed! nt msongs Jan 2014 #4

But how does one fight? BrotherIvan Jan 2014 #5

That's one of the better questions. Sunlight is probablhy the cure, but you can't bring enough alone jtuck004 Jan 2014 #8

By not fighting. DeSwiss Jan 2014 #11

I get it. ronnie624 Jan 2014 #96

That's what the Internets are doing. DeSwiss Jan 2014 #112

Krugman said it was nothing really to tout if you're for it or grieve over if you're against it. ProgressSaves Jan 2014 #6

Sneaky way to calm down the opposition whlie your friends pass it. jtuck004 Jan 2014 #7

Krugman is probably not the best advisor on trade. moondust Jan 2014 #33

Dr. Krugman is both brilliant and on the right side, socially. But keep in mind that he is Egalitarian Thug Jan 2014 #36

Krugman is a lily livered guy living inside the plush ivory truedelphi Jan 2014 #54

You return trolls are so easy to spot. Good Riddance. I'll catch you again next time. morningfog Jan 2014 #120

K&R DeSwiss Jan 2014 #10

Little harsh, don't you think? ScottyEss Jan 2014 #12

Ever heard of the Third Way? Scuba Jan 2014 #18

But a D is a D know matter how R. ScottyEss Jan 2014 #23

Not in the eyes of many of us who are loyal to ideals rather than party. Scuba Jan 2014 #24

Well, I know a certain someone who's ScottyEss Jan 2014 #79

Many of us are 840high Jan 2014 #104

Millionaires and billionaires vs The People ~ nt antiquie Jan 2014 #26

What does nt mean? I see it in many posts. ScottyEss Jan 2014 #80

nt = No Text in body of post. nt ZombieHorde Jan 2014 #153

nt = no text in the subject part of the response. The title is the full reply /nt think Jan 2014 #154

This ^^^^ Phlem Jan 2014 #73

Message auto-removed Name removed Jan 2014 #20

"The System"? So what is the point of participating here at DU ScottyEss Jan 2014 #22

Silly question. Democracy is an illusion. L0oniX Jan 2014 #37

It's exactly the right question, because nobody here is talking ScottyEss Jan 2014 #41

Hmmm...what's that word I'm looking for...BULLSHIT. progressoid Jan 2014 #65

You haven't read the TOS of this site. ScottyEss Jan 2014 #78

OMG, you're right. I've been here for 9 years and have never read the TOS. progressoid Jan 2014 #83

Perhaps you should debate MADem regarding ScottyEss Jan 2014 #84

Well, I've been banned from BOG so... progressoid Jan 2014 #85

Take it as a badge of honor, the best posters on DU are banned from the BOG. Rex Jan 2014 #121

Yeah, it's not like I would visit it deliberately. progressoid Jan 2014 #125

Wow. Seriously??...nt SidDithers Jan 2014 #86

Message auto-removed Name removed Jan 2014 #89

... SidDithers Jan 2014 #90

"It's been my experience . . . " since when - January 2 when you joined the site? markpkessinger Jan 2014 #87

Never mind. Poster has been invited by the admins to leave. LanternWaste Jan 2014 #106

Hahahahaha... SidDithers Jan 2014 #105

Where else are you going to find .... socialist_n_TN Jan 2014 #53

Did you forget your sarcasm tags MattBaggins Jan 2014 #35

One can't be for higher/progressive taxes, stronger unions, an effective safety net, a strong middle pampango Jan 2014 #13

When is this NAFTA renegotiation going to take place and solarhydrocan Jan 2014 #14

Since Canada and Mexico are part of the TPP (which will supercede NAFTA), I would say the pampango Jan 2014 #16

Do you have links that indicate NAFTA will be repealed if the TPP passes? Fumesucker Jan 2014 #25

The Canada-US Free Trade Agreement (1988) was superseded by NAFTA. pampango Jan 2014 #47

Only a relatively small part of the TPP is about trade per se though Fumesucker Jan 2014 #92

Agreed. It a bit of a misnomer to call it a 'free trade' agreement, perhaps why those words are not pampango Jan 2014 #94

What provisions? What labor and environmental protections? TheKentuckian Jan 2014 #27

We know they are in there but don't yet know how strong and effective they are. pampango Jan 2014 #50

Labor and environmental groups were not invited to the negotiations. Kermitt Gribble Jan 2014 #34

And yet somehow one can be for Obama and ScottyEss Jan 2014 #45

Wow. Seriously??... SidDithers Jan 2014 #49

Care to elaborate on what about that post makes you say that? cui bono Jan 2014 #55

No...nt SidDithers Jan 2014 #57

No you don't care to elaborate or no you are not for the TPP? n/t cui bono Jan 2014 #58

by not being a single issue voter? -nt Bradical79 Jan 2014 #133

Nor can one want the TPP and transparent, non-corrupt governance simultaneously. Faryn Balyncd Jan 2014 #15

Love the Mafia your with. L0oniX Jan 2014 #38

Wait what? DireStrike Jan 2014 #39

DU doesn't have a good "mocking" emoticon. L0oniX Jan 2014 #42

I see. DireStrike Jan 2014 #44

Kicked and recommended a whole bunch.....nt Enthusiast Jan 2014 #17

Kick Scuba Jan 2014 #19

There is a reason for the extreme haste and secrecy. jsr Jan 2014 #21

Yes there certainly is. truedelphi Jan 2014 #108

It's unconscionable. woo me with science Jan 2014 #117

The TPP is a Declaration of War on American workers. 99Forever Jan 2014 #29

Harsh words, but they need to be spoken Populist_Prole Jan 2014 #43

C'est vrai. K&R. marmar Jan 2014 #30

TPP = Rise of Corporate Plantations nt mother earth Jan 2014 #31

Lol, the hyperbole and hatred in this post is pretty classic. "sick, sick" "sociopaths" "violently geek tragedy Jan 2014 #40

What is false about those terms? n/t cui bono Jan 2014 #56

Besides the fact it's hate speech directed at geek tragedy Jan 2014 #68

Yes, besides that, which is your opinion. n/t cui bono Jan 2014 #69

. geek tragedy Jan 2014 #70

The dude abides! cui bono Jan 2014 #71

I hate phony trade deals because they have helped to ruin America... Armstead Jan 2014 #137

Nope, I generally agree! geek tragedy Jan 2014 #139

The complications are a smokescreen. Armstead Jan 2014 #142

not at all. The TPP is a tragedy. grahamhgreen Jan 2014 #151

But politicians (and some here on DU) can pretend they do. Tierra_y_Libertad Jan 2014 #46

Sloganeering will save the day!!...nt SidDithers Jan 2014 #48

Nice slogan, Sid Fumesucker Jan 2014 #62

CTRL-V for Victory!! is a good one too... SidDithers Jan 2014 #63

Loo slips stink ships! Fumesucker Jan 2014 #64

Better Believe It! nt MannyGoldstein Jan 2014 #72

I miss them very much. CreekDog Jan 2014 #76

You lucky (Creek)Dog, you... SidDithers Jan 2014 #77

Frightened that this will go through, I'm wonder what the hell to do about it then. Ed Suspicious Jan 2014 #51

I keep wishing some legal type would sue for these "Agreements" to be truedelphi Jan 2014 #59

I am serious, how will scrapping the TPP help us? Hoyt Jan 2014 #52

Visit the folowing links, and then you will know more about truedelphi Jan 2014 #60

All I saw was great fears about copyrights and such. Hoyt Jan 2014 #67

Read up on how NAFTA harmed Mexico. Extrapolate from there. ronnie624 Jan 2014 #97

Truthfully, I don't think there is any creditable proof NAFTA ITSELF caused problems. The world has Hoyt Jan 2014 #101

Yes and there used to be one or two people here who believed that truedelphi Jan 2014 #107

Actually, I have never believed anyone but Oswald did it. This TPP, however, sure has become a Hoyt Jan 2014 #110

I think you need to read up on it. Bradical79 Jan 2014 #128

You too can't produce a concrete example of how it will hurt. And, I doubt you have the credentials Hoyt Jan 2014 #129

Like I said Bradical79 Jan 2014 #130

Surely you can respond with a a phrase of a few words, if you know of negative consequences. Hoyt Jan 2014 #131

Actually I'm going to go back to some of the original documents Bradical79 Jan 2014 #132

Sounds fair, I will read them. Thanks Hoyt Jan 2014 #136

Your blind faith is touching Armstead Jan 2014 #140

We do know about them.. Some folks just don't understand them, so they are bad. Hoyt Jan 2014 #145

National sovergnty means the government is allowed to govern Armstead Jan 2014 #146

Why should we impose our environmental laws on others. Heck, most are better than ours. Hoyt Jan 2014 #148

Free Trade is about gutting better laws -- not improving bad ones. Armstead Jan 2014 #149

NAFTA's Impact On Mexico ronnie624 Jan 2014 #113

Yuck. Now I know why you only post about guns usually. Union Scribe Jan 2014 #156

Just looking at a few of the responses. A very few this time ........ marmar Jan 2014 #61

+1 Phlem Jan 2014 #74

Manny.... It's all in the definitions. Everyone knows that the 0.01% knows best rhett o rick Jan 2014 #66

Why not? What's in the TPP? jazzimov Jan 2014 #75

Details: MannyGoldstein Jan 2014 #82

We'll have to pass it to see what's in it Fumesucker Jan 2014 #93

You won't know until after it has passed. ronnie624 Jan 2014 #98

You'll wait until it's "old news", and then dismiss it as such, you mean. /nt Marr Jan 2014 #102

Wood pulp mostly..... whistler162 Jan 2014 #135

K&R Every investor in Wall St is paying for it. No one works harder for it than them. nt raouldukelives Jan 2014 #81

+ 1. n/t truedelphi Jan 2014 #111

They are the only ones with representation anymore. woo me with science Jan 2014 #119

I second your wake-up call BelgianMadCow Jan 2014 #88

But one can fight for the TPP and talk about economic justice for the 99%. polichick Jan 2014 #91

I wonder where our resident TPP cheerleaders are. X_Digger Jan 2014 #95

A few are here. ronnie624 Jan 2014 #99

This is an important post. woo me with science Jan 2014 #100

True. BelgianMadCow Jan 2014 #115

k/r 840high Jan 2014 #103

"TPP is being pushed by The Only HopeTM for economic justice: ergo, it'll serve the 99%" MisterP Jan 2014 #109

No, they cannot Manny. sabrina 1 Jan 2014 #114

Worth kicking again. woo me with science Jan 2014 #116

The title of the OP is self-evidently a falsehood. Donald Ian Rankin Jan 2014 #118

oh, pooh-pooh! The TPP will bring prosperity, opportunity, and bouquets of fresh elderberries Zorra Jan 2014 #122

kick woo me with science Jan 2014 #123

"They are violently mutually exclusive." woo me with science Jan 2014 #124

Where We Are Today - How We Got Here - Who Sold Us Out cantbeserious Jan 2014 #126

Truth. K&R nt TBF Jan 2014 #127

Okay? Why can't we have Toliet Paper Products, whistler162 Jan 2014 #134

reccing hard frwrfpos Jan 2014 #138

Sociopathic Capitalism Armstead Jan 2014 #141

Good term for it - and yes, everyone knows what these deals mean now. polichick Jan 2014 #144

now it's "we'll fix it later" (the important thing is to buy time) MisterP Jan 2014 #147

Also, refer to them as COSTLY trade agreements - the opposite of free. grahamhgreen Jan 2014 #152

Correction and a thread Im going to make Bradical79 Jan 2014 #143

That'd be great. nt MannyGoldstein Jan 2014 #155

R&K me b zola Jan 2014 #150