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10. You don't think talk supporting trade unions is needed?

Mon Jan 20, 2014, 12:33 AM

Jan 2014

You don't think explaining the *necessity* of trade unions, aiming to turn the current almost totally anti-union messaging around, is necessary before successful action? You don't think making such explanations be *heard* is extremely difficult in the current political/economic climate? Do you think the *Pope* of all people ought to be responsible for a renaissance of the trade union movement in NA, and for initiating a trade union movement in countries like China where the idea is even closer to non-existent?

Do you ever wonder why notions like "Free Trade" are so successful, when notions like "Fair Trade" are close to non-existent? Do you think that notions like "Fair Trade" and a Trade Union movement can possibly be actualized without mass support, which depends on mass understanding the issues?

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Though it's scary to agree with this Pope so often...this one isn't his quote... [View all] Triana Jan 2014 OP

WTG, Francis! And so very true... n/t freshwest Jan 2014 #1

The daily pope talk thread Ohio Joe Jan 2014 #2

If only his audience would do something (besides demeaning women) besides listen. Luminous Animal Jan 2014 #6

+1 Egalitarian Thug Jan 2014 #60

Talk is cheap and without meaning if there is no action. Just the idea that efhmc Jan 2014 #107

You don't think talk supporting trade unions is needed? delrem Jan 2014 #10

I think listening to the pope is like listening to the pauls... Ohio Joe Jan 2014 #18

he just fired the whole Vatican Bank Drahthaardogs Jan 2014 #68

oh... He is working hard to protect the vaticans money... How nice... Ohio Joe Jan 2014 #72

Silly, you really think he CAN change the Magisterium don't you? Drahthaardogs Jan 2014 #77

Strawman much? Ohio Joe Jan 2014 #80

That is EXACTLY what you said, No Strawman here Drahthaardogs Jan 2014 #83

So you will stick with putting words in my mouth and claim the pope is helpless Ohio Joe Jan 2014 #87

No, I will stick with direct quoting your words Drahthaardogs Jan 2014 #94

repeating what is not true does not make it so... Ohio Joe Jan 2014 #95

How can he appoint a woman cardinal? pangaia Jan 2014 #84

By the same method he appoints a man Ohio Joe Jan 2014 #89

Paragraph 1577 of the Catechismn states Drahthaardogs Jan 2014 #111

If being a cardinal was the same as being ordained, you might have something... But you don't Ohio Joe Jan 2014 #112

Wrong again! So-called "Lay Cardinals" were abolished by Canon Law 351 around 1920 Drahthaardogs Jan 2014 #124

yes... The experts are lying... Ohio Joe Jan 2014 #132

So just out of curiosity, who would you see appointed? Scootaloo Jan 2014 #134

Who would I pick? Ohio Joe Jan 2014 #142

So you don't actually care who is and is not a cardinal? Scootaloo Jan 2014 #155

oh... I care very much Ohio Joe Jan 2014 #158

You'll have to excuse my puzzlement Scootaloo Jan 2014 #159

Let me try to explain... Ohio Joe Jan 2014 #160

I think you're misconstruing rhe intent of these threads Scootaloo Jan 2014 #163

To a certain degree, I get that... Ohio Joe Jan 2014 #166

Canon Law 351 for your reading enlightment Drahthaardogs Jan 2014 #140

The pope can't change canon law? Ohio Joe Jan 2014 #141

Not as it pertains to the Magesterium. Drahthaardogs Jan 2014 #151

Strange... That is not what it says... I cited it Ohio Joe Jan 2014 #153

You missed the word "ordinary power"... Drahthaardogs Jan 2014 #161

So you can't give a cite... Ohio Joe Jan 2014 #162

Why? I give you Canon law and you say it is not true. It is hilarious. Drahthaardogs Jan 2014 #164

No silly... Ohio Joe Jan 2014 #165

Okay, two things going on here. Drahthaardogs Jan 2014 #167

This. +1 n/t Beartracks Jan 2014 #135

Talk is kinda what a Pope does anti partisan Jan 2014 #16

" Popes don't write the laws" ... heh, that is silly Ohio Joe Jan 2014 #21

On issues like labor and trade, the Catholic Church can only do so much anti partisan Jan 2014 #25

It is not his stance on labor or trade I have an issue with Ohio Joe Jan 2014 #71

no and no Drahthaardogs Jan 2014 #69

Of course it is correct... Excuses can't work Ohio Joe Jan 2014 #70

You do not even know what ex-cathedra means Drahthaardogs Jan 2014 #74

So your contention is that because it is rare, he cannot do it? Ohio Joe Jan 2014 #76

No, my contention is Drahthaardogs Jan 2014 #79

Non-sense Ohio Joe Jan 2014 #81

I agree. I like his attitude, but is also like to see TxDemChem Jan 2014 #28

One Step At a Time. imthevicar Jan 2014 #121

It's interesting to see that in so many places outside the USA AleksS Jan 2014 #3

Sorry, can't answer your question. But just have another thought... Beartracks Jan 2014 #33

Which is why I am so encouraged to have a Pope who is pointing out the error of those ways. Dark n Stormy Knight Jan 2014 #128

There are huge differences in European countries. OldEurope Jan 2014 #106

"Unions are the bulwark against economic and political totalitarianism." stg81 Jan 2014 #4

On the other hand, women should sit in the back of the bus. Luminous Animal Jan 2014 #5

No they shouldn't. And that is another issue. nt delrem Jan 2014 #13

Of course. Sit in the back of the bus. Luminous Animal Jan 2014 #14

I said "no, they shouldn't". Why do you falsify??? delrem Jan 2014 #17

It is always "another issue" when it comes to women's rights. Luminous Animal Jan 2014 #19

I will not discuss issues with someone who reads "no" and quotes it as "yes". delrem Jan 2014 #22

"And that is another issue". As if you didn't write that. Luminous Animal Jan 2014 #23

It was you who willfully lied about what I said. DISMISSED! nt delrem Jan 2014 #24

So. What are your opinions about the Catholic Church and women? Luminous Animal Jan 2014 #26

I said DISMISSED. nt delrem Jan 2014 #30

Indeed! Luminous Animal Jan 2014 #39

One might hope, but I suspect you are wrong... Demo_Chris Jan 2014 #31

Enough of the hyperbole. Many here? Seriously? Live and Learn Jan 2014 #37

Post removed Post removed Jan 2014 #44

+10 840high Jan 2014 #137

You're full of it. TekGryphon Jan 2014 #41

Stop shitting on the poor with your elitism. TekGryphon Jan 2014 #43

Stop shitting on poor women who have slim to little access to reproductive autonomy due to the Luminous Animal Jan 2014 #49

This thread is about unions and their benefit to the poor working class. TekGryphon Jan 2014 #51

+1 nt Live and Learn Jan 2014 #57

You forgot anti-Catholic. A Simple Game Jan 2014 #88

Taking a strong stand against the church's ant-gay and ant-abortion policies totodeinhere Jan 2014 #102

How long until a Limbecile takes a shot at the Pope? Doctor_J Jan 2014 #7

Working for unions is not an easy job, it is a forever fight, to give of time and effort Thinkingabout Jan 2014 #8

Never thought I would see the day when I would cheer for a pope. pa28 Jan 2014 #9

This message was self-deleted by its author Demo_Chris Jan 2014 #11

Hell, my dad used to say that. defacto7 Jan 2014 #12

I've never been a big fan of organized religion, but I gotta say that I love this Pope. W T F Jan 2014 #15

This Pope gives me great hope. 840high Jan 2014 #138

Unions are equal to management under the law.... Spitfire of ATJ Jan 2014 #20

Good for him. I hope all those Republican Catholics here who are so anti-Union are sabrina 1 Jan 2014 #27

As a South American native... elzenmahn Jan 2014 #29

Yeah, what did he say about abortion last week? Vashta Nerada Jan 2014 #32

And that has what to do with this issue? rpannier Jan 2014 #34

It's all talk. Vashta Nerada Jan 2014 #38

Ahhh... the person with the crystal ball rpannier Jan 2014 #50

Yeah, it's going to take more than a cute little internet quote for me to like pope frank. Vashta Nerada Jan 2014 #53

Frankly, I don't care if you 840high Jan 2014 #139

Good for you. Vashta Nerada Jan 2014 #143

Um.... because the powerful institution that he represents fucks over half the population? Luminous Animal Jan 2014 #40

Point to one leader who is 100% perfect on every progressive issue, please. TekGryphon Jan 2014 #46

He's so dreamy! So what if he heads a powerful institution that denies women their own agency. Luminous Animal Jan 2014 #52

I'm sorry. TekGryphon Jan 2014 #55

+1111111111 Niceguy1 Jan 2014 #62

It's one thing to not be an active champion of EVERY issue skepticscott Jan 2014 #110

No, I don't get it. TekGryphon Jan 2014 #115

"This Pope has been FAR more progressive on the equality of both women and gays" theHandpuppet Jan 2014 #122

Sure. TekGryphon Jan 2014 #126

Just in case anyone is tempted to click on the second link theHandpuppet Jan 2014 #133

diddly squat, to be precise. PeaceNikki Jan 2014 #136

Hardly diddly squat. TekGryphon Jan 2014 #145

Sure. Post your full name and mailing address then hold your breath while I mail you my resume. PeaceNikki Jan 2014 #146

In other words... TekGryphon Jan 2014 #147

You really need to back the fuck off, chief. PeaceNikki Jan 2014 #149

You still haven't answered even the first question. theHandpuppet Jan 2014 #152

Good grief, you really don't get it, do you? skepticscott Jan 2014 #123

I'm sorry. TekGryphon Jan 2014 #125

What progress? skepticscott Jan 2014 #127

First show me what you've done. TekGryphon Jan 2014 #130

And so begins the dodging and backpedaling..what a shock skepticscott Jan 2014 #131

Post removed Post removed Jan 2014 #144

I think we can consider it settled skepticscott Jan 2014 #156

You ought to get out more theHandpuppet Jan 2014 #150

thank you PeaceNikki Jan 2014 #129

I'd be willing to bet you have previously said you agree with some things Rand Paul says. randome Jan 2014 #86

ummmm rpannier Jan 2014 #48

You apparently think women's rights aren't tied to economic justice. NYC Liberal Jan 2014 #92

Go make a thread shitting on the poor. TekGryphon Jan 2014 #45

Nice strawman there. Vashta Nerada Jan 2014 #54

Sure you do. You did it above. nt Live and Learn Jan 2014 #58

Excellent. It's funny how all the persistent defenders of corporate predatory policy woo me with science Jan 2014 #35

knr Douglas Carpenter Jan 2014 #36

He's just a man and as with all humans, Phlem Jan 2014 #42

Wow! Now we have to advise Cha Jan 2014 #47

Seems like this quote isn't from him but Oberlin, a college newspaper, I think... Humanist_Activist Jan 2014 #56

Good catch theHandpuppet Jan 2014 #64

It's been corrected. Triana Jan 2014 #90

Falsehoods and exaggerations are the meat of too many of the Pope posts Bluenorthwest Jan 2014 #93

Thanks. theHandpuppet Jan 2014 #108

Is it the fundamental delusion that causes all of you to ignore the fact that he Egalitarian Thug Jan 2014 #59

Pope, Pope! Rah, rah, rah! eShirl Jan 2014 #61

Truth is truth no matter who carries it BelgianMadCow Jan 2014 #63

It's a fact. K&R. Enthusiast Jan 2014 #65

"A decent and humane society is impossible under capitalism" - TBF Jan 2014 #66

Great stuff. Kingofalldems Jan 2014 #67

Malachy said this is the last Pope Recursion Jan 2014 #73

The quote in the OP is from the Oberlin College student newspaper theHandpuppet Jan 2014 #75

Remember how John Paul II was credited with reviving the Catholic Church? DetlefK Jan 2014 #78

Good for him shenmue Jan 2014 #82

A true statement, regardless jsr Jan 2014 #85

Funny how many of the Fancis Superstar posts are untrue or exaggerated Bluenorthwest Jan 2014 #91

Yep. Vashta Nerada Jan 2014 #96

Funny how the Francis fans didn't show up in the thread about Ratz defrocking 400 priests NYC Liberal Jan 2014 #97

Of course not. Vashta Nerada Jan 2014 #98

I don't like either of them. They're BOTH anti-gay, anti-women bigots. NYC Liberal Jan 2014 #99

People almost remained quiet about Francis's opposition to abortion last week. Vashta Nerada Jan 2014 #100

Joe Lieberman is way more liberal on the issues than Francis is, but NYC Liberal Jan 2014 #101

amen. PeaceNikki Jan 2014 #105

This thread is awesome... SidDithers Jan 2014 #103

And.... Triana Jan 2014 #104

Falsehoods and exaggerations are the meat of too many of the Pope posts Bluenorthwest Jan 2014 #113

I don't "support such views" Triana Jan 2014 #118

All I'm saying is that folks who insist on promoting an anti gay and anti choice Bluenorthwest Jan 2014 #154

I find it amusing that the other day you had a post slamming forced birthers, and another one... Humanist_Activist Jan 2014 #116

See my comment re: black and white thinking. Triana Jan 2014 #117

So what? I agree with many libertarians on many civil liberty issues, doesn't mean I post... Humanist_Activist Jan 2014 #119

What YOU do is your business. What *I* do is mine. Triana Jan 2014 #120

I see a lot of people giving this Pope uncritical praise for comments that are, quite frankly... Humanist_Activist Jan 2014 #157

Gee, what a shock skepticscott Jan 2014 #109

Pope Francis: "Today we also have to say 'thou shalt not' to an economy of exclusion pnwmom Jan 2014 #114

I am religious, catholic and very proud LukeFL Jan 2014 #148