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Mon Jan 20, 2014, 08:03 AM

joshcryer (62,164 posts)

109. Wait two years.

I will be proven correct.

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134 replies	Author	Time	Post
Obama shouldn't 'evolve' on anything. [View all]	Drunken Irishman	Jan 2014	OP
The evolution of views happens rapidly enough that it's hard to predict the future.	lumberjack_jeff	Jan 2014	#1
He did? Was he wearing a mask?	Drunken Irishman	Jan 2014	#4
Well he has minions. And not the cute little ones.	MyNameGoesHere	Jan 2014	#30
Yeah, he should stay stuck in a mind warp like ol	Cha	Jan 2014	#2
I doubt evolution of his personal views has anything to do with his public stances.	El_Johns	Jan 2014	#3
I'm all for evolving.	tblue	Jan 2014	#5
Hear! Hear!	BlueCaliDem	Jan 2014	#52
Sadly	Blue_Adept	Jan 2014	#113
Should/shouldn't. Why has the President evolved his stance on pot?	DisgustipatedinCA	Jan 2014	#6
You're both wrong.	randome	Jan 2014	#9
I realize it gets you off to tell me that I'm wrong	DisgustipatedinCA	Jan 2014	#14
I meant postulating that he received some sort of 'special insight'.	randome	Jan 2014	#20
I'm pretty certain myself that you're correct about this--no special insight	DisgustipatedinCA	Jan 2014	#39
Polls.	joshcryer	Jan 2014	#78
When politician's views change whenever opinion polls change,	MannyGoldstein	Jan 2014	#7
As if there were ever any other kind...	Helen Highwater	Jan 2014	#34
Is he actually thinking about legalizing pot? That would be interesting considering that most	Number23	Jan 2014	#8
Those laws are used to disenfranchise a lot of blacks	Fumesucker	Jan 2014	#16
I'm sure you know that I am a black woman. Which makes your attempts to goad	Number23	Jan 2014	#19
You were the one who said disenfranchisement was as important as flag burning	Fumesucker	Jan 2014	#22
I said legalizing MJ was considered about as important as flag burning to people	Number23	Jan 2014	#23
You said the same thing about MJ as my conservative white neighbors	Fumesucker	Jan 2014	#24
I'm sure there's a reason they felt you were sympathetic.	Number23	Jan 2014	#25
Yeah, they get defensive too	Fumesucker	Jan 2014	#31
Yeah, judging by how defensive and irrational you are in this thread	Number23	Jan 2014	#35
You'd be surprised how many Americans have a loved one touched in a bad way by the drug war	Fumesucker	Jan 2014	#91
it's racism, the thing is minorities face racism in many areas of their lives, you don't think	JI7	Jan 2014	#99
I think the person I responded to sees pot legalization as a libertarian issue	Fumesucker	Jan 2014	#110
You read so much that isn't there. Your posts have been absolutely shameful and beyond idiotic	Number23	Jan 2014	#126
And considering that has absolutely fuck all to do with ANYTHING that I've said	Number23	Jan 2014	#127
I think he's very open to the idea now...	Drunken Irishman	Jan 2014	#26
"it isn't a major issue." Couldn't agree more. And the calibre of the folks so determined to MAKE	Number23	Jan 2014	#28
But it IS a major issue	Scootaloo	Jan 2014	#37
What you're saying is fine. But I'm just saying that in terms of what people are marching about	Number23	Jan 2014	#40
I wasn't even going to touch the race issue	Scootaloo	Jan 2014	#73
That's true until you start talking about their special snowflake	Fumesucker	Jan 2014	#95
I disagree completely that "this isn't a major issue"	fujiyama	Jan 2014	#44
I meant in the eyes of the country...	Drunken Irishman	Jan 2014	#69
Actually 58% now say is should be legalized.	progressoid	Jan 2014	#38
Thanks, and that's good to know. I don't doubt that those polled are mostly in favor	Number23	Jan 2014	#42
I think once the people see the economic imact it has in CO and WA	progressoid	Jan 2014	#47
Do you have any articles handy on how it's helping the economies in those regions?	Number23	Jan 2014	#130
Colorado One Year Later: Thousands Not Arrested for Marijuana, Millions of Dollars Saved	progressoid	Jan 2014	#134
And I think you're correct.	BlueCaliDem	Jan 2014	#55
he didn't shift on gay marriage until the polls did either	joshcryer	Jan 2014	#64
Yup. n/t	progressoid	Jan 2014	#67
it's being primed as a 2016 issue	joshcryer	Jan 2014	#62
Politically it's probably low on the radar, but socially and economically, it is very high up.	joshcryer	Jan 2014	#82
As long as he arrives at the right conclusion	CFLDem	Jan 2014	#10
I would settle for a President that reflected OUR views as Democrats...	Demo_Chris	Jan 2014	#11
This is	ProSense	Jan 2014	#18
It would be a surprise if	Cha	Jan 2014	#49
Well said. nt	woo me with science	Jan 2014	#61
So, after all the insults you tossed at me, you "would've liked Obama to speak out...	polichick	Jan 2014	#12
+1000	Katashi_itto	Jan 2014	#15
What insults?	Drunken Irishman	Jan 2014	#27
"Calling a spade a spade is not an attack. It's the truth." That's what I do re the prez.	polichick	Jan 2014	#29
It's interesting you can lob insults at Obama and yet get the least bit offended...	Drunken Irishman	Jan 2014	#36
Where are the quotes in which I "lob insults at Obama?"	polichick	Jan 2014	#43
Prove me wrong...	Drunken Irishman	Jan 2014	#45
Your rudeness and ignorance is clearly on display - proven all by yourself.	polichick	Jan 2014	#46
Your lack of facts was apparent from the start.	Drunken Irishman	Jan 2014	#48
I could say that your whole view is warped by an infantile fascination...	polichick	Jan 2014	#50
Like I said before...	Drunken Irishman	Jan 2014	#53
Read more carefully - I agree when I agree and don't when I don't...	polichick	Jan 2014	#56
I'm not taking it personal. The only reason I got into this debate is because you misstated a fact.	Drunken Irishman	Jan 2014	#57
Oh yes, I used a figure of speech and said "the whole country" - what a crime...	polichick	Jan 2014	#63
Your point was flawed because you assumed a huge majority supported it...	Drunken Irishman	Jan 2014	#68
The potential benefit is huge - leadership is about real people and their lives...	polichick	Jan 2014	#74
You're right about that. Which is why his decision was commendable...	Drunken Irishman	Jan 2014	#75
My intentions are about standing up for justice - not about propping up...	polichick	Jan 2014	#76
Got it. You get to decide when it's acceptable and not acceptable to come out in support of it.	Drunken Irishman	Jan 2014	#77
All you've got is personal attacks.	polichick	Jan 2014	#85
No...that's where you're wrong.	Drunken Irishman	Jan 2014	#89
Agree, he's done it to me too	Katashi_itto	Jan 2014	#104
Thank-you. I've seen him do it to others too...	polichick	Jan 2014	#105
Most likely that would be best tactic, just a massive ego operating there and not much else	Katashi_itto	Jan 2014	#106
"massive ego operating there and not much else" - True dat!	polichick	Jan 2014	#117
It might be the best to just put me on ignore...	Drunken Irishman	Jan 2014	#114
I don't put anyone on ignore - would hate to miss the laughs.	polichick	Jan 2014	#115
Likewise.	Drunken Irishman	Jan 2014	#116
Insults against the president come with the territory.	morningfog	Jan 2014	#70
Why do people have such a hard time praising the President?	Drunken Irishman	Jan 2014	#72
Praise is a strange word to focus on.	morningfog	Jan 2014	#98
Not at all...	Drunken Irishman	Jan 2014	#112
DU has the BOG if you want a criticism free zone.	morningfog	Jan 2014	#118
I don't want a criticism free zone...	Drunken Irishman	Jan 2014	#119
I don't see constant hate here.	morningfog	Jan 2014	#120
When you constantly criticize the President, it's hate...	Drunken Irishman	Jan 2014	#121
That is not the definition of hate.	morningfog	Jan 2014	#122
Yeah it is.	Drunken Irishman	Jan 2014	#123
That is still not the definition of any DUers I've seen.	morningfog	Jan 2014	#124
Praise be to Obama! (feel better now?)	Dragonfli	Jan 2014	#131
"talking about showing up"? Huh?	joshcryer	Jan 2014	#79
Why wait until the polls turn? Leaders LEAD. People are still going to jail for...	polichick	Jan 2014	#86
And they will for many years yet.	joshcryer	Jan 2014	#87
"uber pragmatist" is one way to put it.	polichick	Jan 2014	#88
It's the "nice way" to put it.	joshcryer	Jan 2014	#93
The nice way? Maybe, but I'm not convinced it's about color...	polichick	Jan 2014	#100
Of course not.	joshcryer	Jan 2014	#101
"Bipartisan" is one thing - a cabinet of corporate tools is another...	polichick	Jan 2014	#103
BS, he campaigned on a bipartisan cabinet.	joshcryer	Jan 2014	#107
Read more carefully - re bipartisan cabinet.	polichick	Jan 2014	#108
Wait two years.	joshcryer	Jan 2014	#109
I meant that yes, he said the cabinet would be bipartisan, but no...	polichick	Jan 2014	#111
he said he'd put republicans on it!	joshcryer	Jan 2014	#125
It might be cool to evolve ahead of the general public and lead sometimes.	TheKentuckian	Jan 2014	#13
The general public, while polling "yeah sure, it shouldn't be a lock-up offense :shrug:"...	Schema Thing	Jan 2014	#17
Exactly. But some on DU consider this the quintessentially most important issue ever	Number23	Jan 2014	#21
Interesting. I hadn't thought about if from that angle.	Schema Thing	Jan 2014	#128
If his evolution on pot has begun	Politicub	Jan 2014	#32
Hey you, Politicub..	Cha	Jan 2014	#51
Yeah, who needs a President that listens to the people anyway!	JaneyVee	Jan 2014	#33
So that would be an admission that we were right?	progressoid	Jan 2014	#41
Being as rigid as Teabaggers....	AlbertCat	Jan 2014	#54
Obama didnt evolve	frwrfpos	Jan 2014	#58
Gasp So many insults! You must hate our prez!!!	polichick	Jan 2014	#65
thank you	frwrfpos	Jan 2014	#66
No, the only empty tin cans are the ones	Cha	Jan 2014	#71
Indeed, seems we had the same thought.	joshcryer	Jan 2014	#81
Thank you for your perspective, joshcryer. I'm actually	Cha	Jan 2014	#83
+1, hemp and medicine will finally be researched.	joshcryer	Jan 2014	#84
Obama's not a dictator. The DoJ is not his to control.	joshcryer	Jan 2014	#80
..	Cha	Jan 2014	#90
Yup, Phillips / cigarette industry is estatic, though.	joshcryer	Jan 2014	#92
Good ol Colorado.. born and raised there. :)	Cha	Jan 2014	#94
CO rocks.	joshcryer	Jan 2014	#97
Is this a joke? The DOJ is headed by AG Holder, who serves at the President's pleasure.	Romulox	Jan 2014	#129
You still have to act within the constitution.	joshcryer	Jan 2014	#132
Yes. At least he showed up.	davidthegnome	Jan 2014	#59
I applaud his evolution. 100%. Just like I applaud Glenn Greenwald's political	Luminous Animal	Jan 2014	#60
This screed demonstrates nothing so much as your determined ignorance and suicidal partisanship.	Egalitarian Thug	Jan 2014	#96
Anyone who isn't politically naive knows how Obama feels about weed.	MADem	Jan 2014	#102
Obama's public stances will reflect public opinion.	Shoulders of Giants	Jan 2014	#133

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