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yardwork

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85. I think that we have to recognize that this is a national problem and fight it comprehensively.

Sat Mar 17, 2012, 06:30 PM

Mar 2012

So far my efforts are pretty lame. They include signing the moveon.org petition and linking articles here that present facts.

Now that the tapes have been released the case is getting renewed national attention. I expect that national pressure will begin to be felt by the Sanford police department. The mayor is feeling the heat. However, I fear that the local police force will continue to do the wrong thing.

We need to fight on the state and national level against laws like Florida's "Stand Your Ground" law that allow people to shoot anybody they feel like shooting, anywhere they feel like shooting them.

We need to fight against the national culture that encourages the police to dress and act like military special forces - without the training or discipline - and abuse citizens. We need to fight against the militarization of the U.S. That happens at the ballot box. It happens in day-to-day conversations with people in which we have the courage to say, "I don't agree with what the police did there." I don't agree with SWAT teams shooting OWS protesters. I don't agree with police officers tasing people.

We have to turn this country around.

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TRAYVON MARTIN 911 MURDER TAPE 17 YEAR OLD screams for his life as nut kills him [View all] itsrobert Mar 2012 OP

I bet there's more than 1 call. And yes. Horribly disturbing. That kid. That poor kid. Luminous Animal Mar 2012 #1

8 Calls Total: ellisonz Mar 2012 #44

Here's a video of an eye witness who said Zimmerman is known for his temper pacalo Mar 2012 #76

Thank gawd for Mary Cutcher Cali_Democrat Mar 2012 #78

She is impressive. pacalo Mar 2012 #79

Sign the petition to get the Florida DA to press charges against Zimmerman. craigmatic Mar 2012 #97

Done. pacalo Mar 2012 #100

I don't want to listen to it. denbot Mar 2012 #2

Thanks for asking, because I can't listen to it, either obamanut2012 Mar 2012 #3

The tape is of a witness calling in from her home itsrobert Mar 2012 #4

What came first the shot, or the screams.. denbot Mar 2012 #5

I'm unclear on that itsrobert Mar 2012 #8

The first shot can be heard at 00:41 into the call, a second one at 00:50 . . . Petrushka Mar 2012 #21

There is a loud gun shot at 00:41 but I don't think the pop sound at 00:50 is a gun shot. LisaL Mar 2012 #36

The screams come first for a minute or two before the shot is heard rustydog Mar 2012 #80

The screams were heard first. Then the shots. vaberella Mar 2012 #83

It appeared to be before the gunshot kdmorris Mar 2012 #92

sorry but you can't tell who's yelling or what they're yelling and I could not distinguish Demonaut Mar 2012 #7

Possible a murder? itsrobert Mar 2012 #9

the issue is the "make my day" law in fla, if this law was not on the books someone may have just Demonaut Mar 2012 #10

"You hear a shot, a clear shot, then you hear a 17-year-old boy begging for his life," said Natalie itsrobert Mar 2012 #13

and the police think zimmerman is begging for help Demonaut Mar 2012 #14

The Sanford police tested the boy's corpse for drugs and alcohol and found nothing. yardwork Mar 2012 #59

GOOD GOD in Heaven Number23 Mar 2012 #16

i agree with you number 23 pacificman Mar 2012 #39

This is a cover-up for murder. They're not going to get away with it. yardwork Mar 2012 #60

"I'm going to be one more person making sure that they don't get away with it." Number23 Mar 2012 #82

I think that we have to recognize that this is a national problem and fight it comprehensively. yardwork Mar 2012 #85

But the shooter was not a cop. And I'm guessing he could never be one even if he wanted to Number23 Mar 2012 #91

The shooter was not a cop but a highly corrupt, racist local police force is covering for him. yardwork Mar 2012 #93

Also, isn't there recording analysis that can show whether the screams or cries were consistent with Mayberry Machiavelli Mar 2012 #94

Probably- and that's my instinctive response as well BUT cali Mar 2012 #52

Due process would begin with arresting the person who shot and killed an unarmed child. yardwork Mar 2012 #61

The woman making the call states that the person is "screaming help" Number23 Mar 2012 #11

sorry, you're right, missed that gunshot on my first listening, very discernible Demonaut Mar 2012 #12

That it is. nadinbrzezinski Mar 2012 #15

Listen to Zimmerman's call in the link in my message below csziggy Mar 2012 #25

It sounds like a younger voice nadinbrzezinski Mar 2012 #27

That's what I thought and what my husband thought csziggy Mar 2012 #32

+1 ellisonz Mar 2012 #38

You can hear screaming/yelling, then at 41 secs you can clearly hear a gunshot. The screams sabrina 1 Mar 2012 #20

Well I am betting that race is playing a role here nadinbrzezinski Mar 2012 #29

It looks that way. However Zimmerman's father has written a letter to the media sabrina 1 Mar 2012 #37

All Of This Would Be Quite Cute, Ma'am The Magistrate Mar 2012 #41

I agree. I provided the information as it is now part of the news that is coming out. sabrina 1 Mar 2012 #46

Strange, the page loads, but there is just blank white space where the video should be. AnotherDreamWeaver Mar 2012 #95

It's still working for me. Here it is again: sabrina 1 Mar 2012 #96

Same thing, but now a small black rectangle says: AnotherDreamWeaver Mar 2012 #98

That's strange, maybe it's your browser? sabrina 1 Mar 2012 #99

Bingo, that was it. I had been on Safari, Firefox brought it up, Thanks Sabrina. AnotherDreamWeaver Mar 2012 #101

well, Strom Thurmond had a BLack Daughter he took care of financially , but didn't stop him from JI7 Mar 2012 #42

I know. And as we've seen so often, many Republicans who run on an anti-Gay platform sabrina 1 Mar 2012 #48

Well for starters, Quantess Mar 2012 #49

True, but people assumed he was white and for that reason he must sabrina 1 Mar 2012 #51

I'm not arguing with you, I'm discussing the link you posted. Quantess Mar 2012 #56

Being a "Spanish-speaking minority" doesn't mean one isn't racist obamanut2012 Mar 2012 #53

Considering that Zimmerman had a long history of complaining about "suspicious young black men"... Hugabear Mar 2012 #102

I disagree. I listened to the tape. A teenager is howling in terror for several minutes. yardwork Mar 2012 #58

There were two gunshots Cali_Democrat Mar 2012 #6

I'm not sure there were two shots csziggy Mar 2012 #22

I was referring to a different article that said "shots" Cali_Democrat Mar 2012 #26

Yes, but listening to all seven of the 911 tapes csziggy Mar 2012 #28

True. n/t Cali_Democrat Mar 2012 #30

I am pretty sure there is only one shot. LisaL Mar 2012 #35

This article also says two shots: Cali_Democrat Mar 2012 #50

On this tape, there is only one shot. It is very clear at 41 secs. The screams for help stop sabrina 1 Mar 2012 #31

The thing that's most telling to me is that the screams for help stop immediately qanda Mar 2012 #17

Agreed -- chilling obamanut2012 Mar 2012 #54

Thanks to all for the synopses. I can't listen because I already know what I'd be in for. Thegonagle Mar 2012 #55

I had the same reaction. raouldukelives Mar 2012 #77

Seven calls to 911 and the call George Zimmerman made, too csziggy Mar 2012 #18

the woman on this tape sounds like someone who feels threatened or scared JI7 Mar 2012 #19

An armed man followed a kid in his vehicle, then on foot... KathieG Mar 2012 #23

Excellent Op-Ed piece csziggy Mar 2012 #24

It's unclear who's screaming for help, but it also doesn't matter. chrisa Mar 2012 #33

The boy, if he even acted in a defensive manner, was the one acting in self defense. FedUpWithIt All Mar 2012 #34

how sad, i hope this boy gets some professional help JI7 Mar 2012 #43

There is a video of the boy out there... FedUpWithIt All Mar 2012 #87

He's probably also terrified that some big guy is going to chase him and shoot him dead next. yardwork Mar 2012 #90

Damning. ellisonz Mar 2012 #45

Zimmerman called 46 times in the past 14 months! 46 calls to 911 in a year. yardwork Mar 2012 #62

WTF? This guy is so shady. He thinks he's some kind of vigilante Cali_Democrat Mar 2012 #74

Murder. ellisonz Mar 2012 #40

Yes. Luminous Animal Mar 2012 #47

I am sitting here in tears. I've never heard anything more horrifying. yardwork Mar 2012 #57

Here's something more horrifying: _ed_ Mar 2012 #69

...and he's called 911 forty-six times in the past 14 months. yardwork Mar 2012 #71

Lesson learned: _ed_ Mar 2012 #63

...and the racist white cops will test the child's corpse for drugs and alcohol yardwork Mar 2012 #65

or just plant drugs or a gun on him after he's dead _ed_ Mar 2012 #66

That happens all the time. I'm almost surprised it didn't happen here. yardwork Mar 2012 #67

Yeah, the racist cops must have been off their game _ed_ Mar 2012 #68

The numerous eyewitnesses who came out of their homes must have distracted him. yardwork Mar 2012 #70

Are you suggesting that if a black teen had killed a white man, _ed_ Mar 2012 #73

Imagine the news reports if a black man had shot a white teenage boy. yardwork Mar 2012 #75

Correction Needed Number23 Mar 2012 #81

And tell eyewitnesses what they saw and heard was wrong obamanut2012 Mar 2012 #72

And then the racist white cops will cry to their rep at the FOP Dawson Leery Mar 2012 #88

Mellisa Harris-Perry is discussing this now malaise Mar 2012 #64

Transcript, please anti-alec Mar 2012 #84

This reminds me of the BTK killer in Kansas . . . mistertrickster Mar 2012 #86

A couple of other posters have mentioned that. yardwork Mar 2012 #89