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ProSense

(116,464 posts)
24. The most telling
Tue Jan 21, 2014, 09:59 AM
Jan 2014

part of Baker's piece:

The leaked chapter on intellectual property indicated that it would likely mean sharply higher drug prices in many countries since the TPP would strengthen patents and related restrictions on selling drugs. The final agreement may limit the ability of governments to regulate fracking. In the United States, federal law prohibits state and local governments from requiring disclosure of the chemicals used in the fracking process. This makes it far more difficult to detect pollution of ground water and drinking water. The TPP may include a similar provision.

It may also include restrictions on the ability of governments to regulate the financial sector. This could allow banks to skirt rules in Dodd-Frank or comparable financial reform bills approved by other countries.

It is likely that many of the provisions in the final agreement would be highly unpopular if they were put up for a vote, but the whole point of getting the deal as a fast-tracked take it or leave it deal is to prevent individual provisions from ever being considered. And there will be enormous pressure to take it.

Everything at this point is speculative. Still, it's hard to believe that the President would support a treaty that undermines his environmental, financial and health care regulatory efforts.

Here's a good point, counterpoint between Baker and Krugman.

Dean Baker: Paul Krugman and TPP

I've got to take some issue with my friend Paul Krugman over his blogpost pronouncing the Trans-Pacific Partnership (TPP) no big deal. As a trade question he is undoubtedly right. The countries in the pact are ones with whom the United States already has extensive trade ties and generally low barriers. Eliminating or reducing the remaining barriers cannot possibly have much impact on the U.S. economy.

However it is a misunderstanding to see the TPP as being about trade. This is a deal that focuses on changes in regulatory structures to lock in pro-corporate rules. Using a "trade" agreement provides a mechanism to lock in rules that it would be difficult, if not impossible, to get through the normal political process...the U.S. and European drug companies face a serious threat in the developing world. If these countries don't enforce patents in the same way as we do, then the drugs that sell for hundreds or thousands of dollars per prescription in the U.S. may sell for $5 or $10 per prescription in the developing world. With drug prices going ever higher, it will be hard to maintain this sort of segmented market. Either people in the U.S. will go to the cheap drugs or the cheap drugs will come here.

For this reason, trade deals like the TPP, in which they hope to eventually incorporate India and other major suppliers of low cost generics, can be very important. The drug companies would like to bring these producers into line and impose high prices everywhere. (Yes, we need to pay for research. And yes, there are far more efficient mechanisms for financing research than government granted patent monopolies.)

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There are many other areas where industry groups are seeking special treatment along these lines. No, I can't give a list with links because the draft text is a secret. Public Citizen's website probably is the best source available. It includes the chapter on intellectual property that was obtained through Wikileaks...Krugman is on the money in his assessment of the impact of the TPP on trade. But the point is that the TPP is not really about trade, it's about changing the regulatory process in ways that would almost certainly be opposed by the people in most of the countries included in the deal.

http://www.cepr.net/index.php/blogs/beat-the-press/paul-krugman-and-tpp

Krugman: TPP
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10024169463

TPP and IP, A Brief Note

Dean Baker takes me to task over the Trans Pacific trade deal, arguing that it’s not really about trade — that the important (and harmful) stuff involves regulation and intellectual property rights.

I’m sympathetic to this argument; this was true, for example, of DR-CAFTA, the free trade agreement with Central America, which ended up being largely about pharma patents. Is TPP equally bad? I’ll do some homework and get back to you.

http://krugman.blogs.nytimes.com/2013/12/14/tpp-and-ip-a-brief-note/

Interestingly, Obama voted against CAFTA.

http://www.senate.gov/legislative/LIS/roll_call_lists/roll_call_vote_cfm.cfm?congress=109&session=1&vote=00170
http://www.senate.gov/legislative/LIS/roll_call_lists/roll_call_vote_cfm.cfm?congress=109&session=1&vote=00209

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S. Korea places arbitrary safety regulations to keep my company's products out of their market Kolesar Jan 2014 #1
how about trade agreements that don't travel so far afield and stick to, you know, actual, trade cali Jan 2014 #2
"actual, trade practices of actual governments?" Kolesar Jan 2014 #5
As flawed as this thing seems to be, perhaps just another 'free trade' agreement is what Obama pampango Jan 2014 #10
You have NO Right to sell your crap in S. Korea fasttense Jan 2014 #7
That was obtuse . Kolesar Jan 2014 #8
The European arrangement is a great example of a 'high standards' trade agreement. pampango Jan 2014 #11
Thank you. People don't have a right to go where they aren't wanted. LuvNewcastle Jan 2014 #16
The problem is, the people have no say. ronnie624 Jan 2014 #40
"What is your solution to those trade barriers?" Enthusiast Jan 2014 #9
Just let corporations sue villages for hurting their future profits, judged by magical thyme Jan 2014 #13
+1. These free trade agreements undermine democracy. octoberlib Jan 2014 #18
Tell that to Europeans. They seem to make 'free trade', democracy and income equality coexist. n/t pampango Jan 2014 #23
They aren't making lowest-common-denominator trade agreements. (nt) jeff47 Jan 2014 #27
Exactly. They prefer 'high-standards' agreements. n/t pampango Jan 2014 #29
And if we were doing that, the TPP might be a good idea. We're not doing that. (nt) jeff47 Jan 2014 #31
I agree. But, on some level, I think that high standards were Obama's original goal. pampango Jan 2014 #33
"High Standards" bvar22 Jan 2014 #41
I did not mean to defend 'voluntary' self-oversight by corporations. Quite the opposite. pampango Jan 2014 #42
Then WHY are you pimping the "High Standards" that have so far been completely absent... bvar22 Jan 2014 #43
I don't consider posting what I find about the original goals of the TPP to be 'pimping'. pampango Jan 2014 #44
I've often wondered what would happen... Buns_of_Fire Jan 2014 #25
Nestle corporation sued Maine village after Maine village for the right to drill for our water magical thyme Jan 2014 #39
The secrecy of this thing should be what's highlighted... orpupilofnature57 Jan 2014 #3
NAFTA: 20 years of regret for Mexico solarhydrocan Jan 2014 #4
From the OP: "As has frequently been noted, the TPP is not really about trade." pampango Jan 2014 #12
From your post: "NAFTA was all about trade" solarhydrocan Jan 2014 #21
Good points. Here are my reponses: pampango Jan 2014 #26
NAFTA - leveling the playing field to a swamp for workers KG Jan 2014 #6
"This is in spite of the fact that Mexico had the second slowest growth on any country in Progressive dog Jan 2014 #14
Makes you think that the US would have lost those jobs eventually to wherever Mexico lost them pampango Jan 2014 #15
read Meyerson's article. cali Jan 2014 #17
Myerson concludes: pampango Jan 2014 #22
Wages went up. Number of jobs went waaaaaaaaaaaaaaay down. jeff47 Jan 2014 #28
The number of manufacturing jobs has been going down at at steady rate since 1955. pampango Jan 2014 #30
As long as you ignore population growth. jeff47 Jan 2014 #32
Manufacturing jobs have declined in all developed countries at the same rate as in the US. pampango Jan 2014 #34
I'm not the one saying it's all NAFTA's fault. jeff47 Jan 2014 #35
It seems to me that NAFTA gets blamed for things that went on for decades and happened equally in pampango Jan 2014 #38
Exactly Progressive dog Jan 2014 #19
Unlike Everyone Else, Some Big Political Donors Know What’s in the Trans-Pacific Partnership octoberlib Jan 2014 #20
The most telling ProSense Jan 2014 #24
Message auto-removed Name removed Jan 2014 #36
whatever, honeypie. cali Jan 2014 #37
K & R AzDar Jan 2014 #45
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