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jeff47

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28. Wages went up. Number of jobs went waaaaaaaaaaaaaaay down.

Tue Jan 21, 2014, 10:32 AM

Jan 2014

The fewer remaining jobs are highly skilled, so they pay more.

The problem is the "fewer" part. Many more low-skill jobs went abroad. Those workers no longer count as "manufacturing wages", because they have been forced to take jobs in the service sector.

As a result, "manufacturing wages" appear to have gone up, because the lowest-paid manufacturing workers are no longer in that graph.

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The Trans-Pacific Partnership: Warnings From NAFTA [View all] cali Jan 2014 OP

S. Korea places arbitrary safety regulations to keep my company's products out of their market Kolesar Jan 2014 #1

how about trade agreements that don't travel so far afield and stick to, you know, actual, trade cali Jan 2014 #2

"actual, trade practices of actual governments?" Kolesar Jan 2014 #5

As flawed as this thing seems to be, perhaps just another 'free trade' agreement is what Obama pampango Jan 2014 #10

You have NO Right to sell your crap in S. Korea fasttense Jan 2014 #7

That was obtuse . Kolesar Jan 2014 #8

The European arrangement is a great example of a 'high standards' trade agreement. pampango Jan 2014 #11

Thank you. People don't have a right to go where they aren't wanted. LuvNewcastle Jan 2014 #16

The problem is, the people have no say. ronnie624 Jan 2014 #40

"What is your solution to those trade barriers?" Enthusiast Jan 2014 #9

Just let corporations sue villages for hurting their future profits, judged by magical thyme Jan 2014 #13

+1. These free trade agreements undermine democracy. octoberlib Jan 2014 #18

Tell that to Europeans. They seem to make 'free trade', democracy and income equality coexist. n/t pampango Jan 2014 #23

They aren't making lowest-common-denominator trade agreements. (nt) jeff47 Jan 2014 #27

Exactly. They prefer 'high-standards' agreements. n/t pampango Jan 2014 #29

And if we were doing that, the TPP might be a good idea. We're not doing that. (nt) jeff47 Jan 2014 #31

I agree. But, on some level, I think that high standards were Obama's original goal. pampango Jan 2014 #33

"High Standards" bvar22 Jan 2014 #41

I did not mean to defend 'voluntary' self-oversight by corporations. Quite the opposite. pampango Jan 2014 #42

Then WHY are you pimping the "High Standards" that have so far been completely absent... bvar22 Jan 2014 #43

I don't consider posting what I find about the original goals of the TPP to be 'pimping'. pampango Jan 2014 #44

I've often wondered what would happen... Buns_of_Fire Jan 2014 #25

Nestle corporation sued Maine village after Maine village for the right to drill for our water magical thyme Jan 2014 #39

The secrecy of this thing should be what's highlighted... orpupilofnature57 Jan 2014 #3

NAFTA: 20 years of regret for Mexico solarhydrocan Jan 2014 #4

From the OP: "As has frequently been noted, the TPP is not really about trade." pampango Jan 2014 #12

From your post: "NAFTA was all about trade" solarhydrocan Jan 2014 #21

Good points. Here are my reponses: pampango Jan 2014 #26

NAFTA - leveling the playing field to a swamp for workers KG Jan 2014 #6

"This is in spite of the fact that Mexico had the second slowest growth on any country in Progressive dog Jan 2014 #14

Makes you think that the US would have lost those jobs eventually to wherever Mexico lost them pampango Jan 2014 #15

read Meyerson's article. cali Jan 2014 #17

Myerson concludes: pampango Jan 2014 #22

Wages went up. Number of jobs went waaaaaaaaaaaaaaay down. jeff47 Jan 2014 #28

The number of manufacturing jobs has been going down at at steady rate since 1955. pampango Jan 2014 #30

As long as you ignore population growth. jeff47 Jan 2014 #32

Manufacturing jobs have declined in all developed countries at the same rate as in the US. pampango Jan 2014 #34

I'm not the one saying it's all NAFTA's fault. jeff47 Jan 2014 #35

It seems to me that NAFTA gets blamed for things that went on for decades and happened equally in pampango Jan 2014 #38

Exactly Progressive dog Jan 2014 #19

Unlike Everyone Else, Some Big Political Donors Know What’s in the Trans-Pacific Partnership octoberlib Jan 2014 #20

The most telling ProSense Jan 2014 #24

Message auto-removed Name removed Jan 2014 #36

whatever, honeypie. cali Jan 2014 #37

K & R AzDar Jan 2014 #45