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77. Excellent point -

Tue Jan 21, 2014, 05:37 PM

Jan 2014

and I really like your last couple sentences. "Why do so many accept the rule of so few" is a very, very good question.

I see it on this website every day. People who want there to be a magic cure for capitalism. They want people and companies to be kinder - a sort of "gentler" capitalism. I think the answer to that is that they are looking for the easier and/or less violent way out. Folks who care about other people don't really want revolution - they want an easier way. They want to believe there is a way we can come together and fix the issues without it having to get so serious.

Ultimately what we see historically though is exactly what you've posited - eventually people have so little to lose that they do withdraw their consent.

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