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44. I don't consider posting what I find about the original goals of the TPP to be 'pimping'.

Tue Jan 21, 2014, 06:52 PM

Jan 2014

Particularly when I point out that those goals are not in the current draft of the agreement.

Unfortunately, Obama's WORDS have frequently NOT been followed by his actions.
Admittedly, he IS very good with the words & promises part.

Obviously you think Obama was lying early in the process by publicly pursuing a policy that was based on the belief that we can't compete with China by lowering standards, only by raising them and keeping them out of the 'club' until they revise their system.

You must also think that it is impossible that Obama "has fought hard for tough environmental provisions, particularly legally binding language that would provide for sanctions against participating countries for environmental violations, but that it is losing those fights to the resistance put up by the other countries." If anyone loses a fight, it must mean they never really meant to win in the first place.

I guess you are in the "he is just a duplicitous politician willing to sell out anyone to get what the 1% wants" camp with respect to Obama. At least we agree that the TPP stinks. If you need to blame Obama 100% for the stink, so be it.

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The Trans-Pacific Partnership: Warnings From NAFTA [View all] cali Jan 2014 OP

S. Korea places arbitrary safety regulations to keep my company's products out of their market Kolesar Jan 2014 #1

how about trade agreements that don't travel so far afield and stick to, you know, actual, trade cali Jan 2014 #2

"actual, trade practices of actual governments?" Kolesar Jan 2014 #5

As flawed as this thing seems to be, perhaps just another 'free trade' agreement is what Obama pampango Jan 2014 #10

You have NO Right to sell your crap in S. Korea fasttense Jan 2014 #7

That was obtuse . Kolesar Jan 2014 #8

The European arrangement is a great example of a 'high standards' trade agreement. pampango Jan 2014 #11

Thank you. People don't have a right to go where they aren't wanted. LuvNewcastle Jan 2014 #16

The problem is, the people have no say. ronnie624 Jan 2014 #40

"What is your solution to those trade barriers?" Enthusiast Jan 2014 #9

Just let corporations sue villages for hurting their future profits, judged by magical thyme Jan 2014 #13

+1. These free trade agreements undermine democracy. octoberlib Jan 2014 #18

Tell that to Europeans. They seem to make 'free trade', democracy and income equality coexist. n/t pampango Jan 2014 #23

They aren't making lowest-common-denominator trade agreements. (nt) jeff47 Jan 2014 #27

Exactly. They prefer 'high-standards' agreements. n/t pampango Jan 2014 #29

And if we were doing that, the TPP might be a good idea. We're not doing that. (nt) jeff47 Jan 2014 #31

I agree. But, on some level, I think that high standards were Obama's original goal. pampango Jan 2014 #33

"High Standards" bvar22 Jan 2014 #41

I did not mean to defend 'voluntary' self-oversight by corporations. Quite the opposite. pampango Jan 2014 #42

Then WHY are you pimping the "High Standards" that have so far been completely absent... bvar22 Jan 2014 #43

I don't consider posting what I find about the original goals of the TPP to be 'pimping'. pampango Jan 2014 #44

I've often wondered what would happen... Buns_of_Fire Jan 2014 #25

Nestle corporation sued Maine village after Maine village for the right to drill for our water magical thyme Jan 2014 #39

The secrecy of this thing should be what's highlighted... orpupilofnature57 Jan 2014 #3

NAFTA: 20 years of regret for Mexico solarhydrocan Jan 2014 #4

From the OP: "As has frequently been noted, the TPP is not really about trade." pampango Jan 2014 #12

From your post: "NAFTA was all about trade" solarhydrocan Jan 2014 #21

Good points. Here are my reponses: pampango Jan 2014 #26

NAFTA - leveling the playing field to a swamp for workers KG Jan 2014 #6

"This is in spite of the fact that Mexico had the second slowest growth on any country in Progressive dog Jan 2014 #14

Makes you think that the US would have lost those jobs eventually to wherever Mexico lost them pampango Jan 2014 #15

read Meyerson's article. cali Jan 2014 #17

Myerson concludes: pampango Jan 2014 #22

Wages went up. Number of jobs went waaaaaaaaaaaaaaay down. jeff47 Jan 2014 #28

The number of manufacturing jobs has been going down at at steady rate since 1955. pampango Jan 2014 #30

As long as you ignore population growth. jeff47 Jan 2014 #32

Manufacturing jobs have declined in all developed countries at the same rate as in the US. pampango Jan 2014 #34

I'm not the one saying it's all NAFTA's fault. jeff47 Jan 2014 #35

It seems to me that NAFTA gets blamed for things that went on for decades and happened equally in pampango Jan 2014 #38

Exactly Progressive dog Jan 2014 #19

Unlike Everyone Else, Some Big Political Donors Know What�s in the Trans-Pacific Partnership octoberlib Jan 2014 #20

The most telling ProSense Jan 2014 #24

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whatever, honeypie. cali Jan 2014 #37

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