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In reply to the discussion: Ok. the message on DU is clear. Be glad with what you might get, serf! [View all]Nuclear Unicorn
(19,497 posts)83. I stand by each of those statements without apology.
The first words off your fingertips were fake outrage. Shall I list the rhetorical barbs that you have cast, including those you made before I had even addressed you?
Again, fake outrage.
But not a bit about economic theory.
I called out your patently absurd nonsense about machines doing all the unpleasant work as such machines do not exist. You have yet to actually address that counterpoint.
You are either being hypocritical about lamenting the lack of discussion of economic theory or you have conveniently forgotten that you yourself wrote in Post #42 --
I'm not going to explain economics to you. Maybe you can have the butler google it and read it to you so you don't even have to move.
Not one idea of how we can ease economic inequality - other than the thought that others should clean up your messes.
What mess did I create? By the way, are you still paying another human being to keep your city's sewage in check?
That would be from your initial line "Please show us the people who like crawling in sewers, digging ditches, breaking their backs in resource extraction jobs, etc. Yet these are all necessary occupations. Some people take jobs because they need the money and other people are willing to pay to have the unpleasant task performed by someone else"
And I continue to stand by what I said. Apart from having a case of the incoherent vapors you haven't addressed the point with a counterpoint.
Anyone fighting against economic inequality - they need to grow up, face the real world, not use fairy dust, are stupid, are an outrage, have make-believe solutions, more outrage, and fantasy. It couldn't possibly be that it is morally and ethically disgusting to prop up this economic system.
Okay. We get it. You're upset. But apart from abusing your poor computer's keyboard and wishing for machines that don't exist what does that have to do with the validity of what I stated?
Let me know when you're ready to discuss economic theory.
I'm aching to see something. Where is your explanation that refutes --
A) There are jobs to be done
B) Some people cannot/will not do those jobs
C) They will pay others to do those jobs
D) Others are willing to accept those jobs and that pay even though they do not like the job involved
And since you're so fond of your make-believe solution --
1) Where are your machines that will fill these jobs?
2) Why wouldn't a capitalist prefer automatons to humans?
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Ok. the message on DU is clear. Be glad with what you might get, serf! [View all]
Pretzel_Warrior
Jan 2014
OP
4 years in a machine shop as an apprentice with a Good Reference from the boss....
bvar22
Jan 2014
#21
car repair may have been less of an apt example for protection of skilled labor
Pretzel_Warrior
Jan 2014
#7
"The fact that SOME people ... does not mean we should all give up on our dreams"
Nuclear Unicorn
Jan 2014
#10
no. people today are calling it some aphorism for the rich and luxurious
Pretzel_Warrior
Jan 2014
#17
You conjure some fiction of a world that doesn't exist just to insult me?
Nuclear Unicorn
Jan 2014
#11
Um, no; I'm stating the plainly obvious. The entire basis of your criticism is fictitious.
Nuclear Unicorn
Jan 2014
#14
When did I ever say wealth should be concentrated in the hands of a few?
Nuclear Unicorn
Jan 2014
#49
"You are stating that some humans must be subjugated and degraded in order for others to benefit."
Nuclear Unicorn
Jan 2014
#54
"Yet these are all necessary occupations. Some people take jobs because they need the money ..."
TBF
Jan 2014
#61
I appreciate your kind words and salient observation. Thank-you again. n/t
Nuclear Unicorn
Jan 2014
#72
How sad that we must look at discussions as winning or losing. Do you count the number of
rhett o rick
Jan 2014
#74
If that "40% of the wealth" comment refers to the Walton family (and I'm betting it does)
A HERETIC I AM
Jan 2014
#73
ATMs? We used to have Bank Clerks to do all those transactions. Credit cards? We used to need
sabrina 1
Jan 2014
#82
Don't tell TBF because you might be accused of wanting to subjugate humans or something. n/t
Nuclear Unicorn
Jan 2014
#84
Some degreed people start at the bottom of these jobs so they can move up knowledgeably and advance
ancianita
Jan 2014
#23
And the other message - Chris Christie is the worst person in the world EVER!
truedelphi
Jan 2014
#5
The "DWYL" OP was about how "DWYL" is used to blame the 99% for their problems.
phantom power
Jan 2014
#18
There is a lot of fear when you are a paycheck or two from homelessness
PowerToThePeople
Jan 2014
#36
The point of employment is *selling* the hours of your life as profitably as possible.
lumberjack_jeff
Jan 2014
#22
I've known young friends who did skilled labor work first, THEN afforded their college work after.
ancianita
Jan 2014
#25
"When profit comes first, everyone loses." Unfortunatley, not everybody.
Dark n Stormy Knight
Jan 2014
#30
I totally agree that the're not running the world in a way that benefits the human race.
Dark n Stormy Knight
Jan 2014
#34
I think the problem is that unless the entire earth is blown to smithereens, the 1% will remain
Dark n Stormy Knight
Jan 2014
#38
Anecdotally, I might advise someone not to go to college or to put it off at least...
Hippo_Tron
Jan 2014
#45
thank you! I can get behind that message. Public officials should be holding out higher education
Pretzel_Warrior
Jan 2014
#56
I used to believe "college" educated a person which led to a better life. I no longer do.
BrotherIvan
Jan 2014
#52
when I have more time I will share my story. But suffice to say I disagree with some of your broad
Pretzel_Warrior
Jan 2014
#57
I know. I'm just sharing my personal limits on what is "relevant" higher education
Pretzel_Warrior
Jan 2014
#59