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Ohio Joe

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166. To a certain degree, I get that...

Tue Jan 21, 2014, 09:43 PM

Jan 2014

Then I think... There are other right wing people, and I believe his positions overall make him pretty right wing, who hold a few positions that would be agreed with here yet posts praising them every day would not be acceptable. Can you imagine how long someone would last if they posted a 'Paul post of the day'?

I understand that believers are going to be allowed here (hell, we have at least one 'pro-life' poster I've seen) and it appears that anything pope related is allowed in GD... I see no reason his shitty positions should not be pointed out as long as there is going to be a 'pope thread of the day' that is trying to portray him as someone to be supported... And if these posts were to just point out the church is getting better, they would not be here every day, and people would not make excuses for the offensive positions.

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Though it's scary to agree with this Pope so often...this one isn't his quote... [View all] Triana Jan 2014 OP

WTG, Francis! And so very true... n/t freshwest Jan 2014 #1

The daily pope talk thread Ohio Joe Jan 2014 #2

If only his audience would do something (besides demeaning women) besides listen. Luminous Animal Jan 2014 #6

+1 Egalitarian Thug Jan 2014 #60

Talk is cheap and without meaning if there is no action. Just the idea that efhmc Jan 2014 #107

You don't think talk supporting trade unions is needed? delrem Jan 2014 #10

I think listening to the pope is like listening to the pauls... Ohio Joe Jan 2014 #18

he just fired the whole Vatican Bank Drahthaardogs Jan 2014 #68

oh... He is working hard to protect the vaticans money... How nice... Ohio Joe Jan 2014 #72

Silly, you really think he CAN change the Magisterium don't you? Drahthaardogs Jan 2014 #77

Strawman much? Ohio Joe Jan 2014 #80

That is EXACTLY what you said, No Strawman here Drahthaardogs Jan 2014 #83

So you will stick with putting words in my mouth and claim the pope is helpless Ohio Joe Jan 2014 #87

No, I will stick with direct quoting your words Drahthaardogs Jan 2014 #94

repeating what is not true does not make it so... Ohio Joe Jan 2014 #95

How can he appoint a woman cardinal? pangaia Jan 2014 #84

By the same method he appoints a man Ohio Joe Jan 2014 #89

Paragraph 1577 of the Catechismn states Drahthaardogs Jan 2014 #111

If being a cardinal was the same as being ordained, you might have something... But you don't Ohio Joe Jan 2014 #112

Wrong again! So-called "Lay Cardinals" were abolished by Canon Law 351 around 1920 Drahthaardogs Jan 2014 #124

yes... The experts are lying... Ohio Joe Jan 2014 #132

So just out of curiosity, who would you see appointed? Scootaloo Jan 2014 #134

Who would I pick? Ohio Joe Jan 2014 #142

So you don't actually care who is and is not a cardinal? Scootaloo Jan 2014 #155

oh... I care very much Ohio Joe Jan 2014 #158

You'll have to excuse my puzzlement Scootaloo Jan 2014 #159

Let me try to explain... Ohio Joe Jan 2014 #160

I think you're misconstruing rhe intent of these threads Scootaloo Jan 2014 #163

To a certain degree, I get that... Ohio Joe Jan 2014 #166

Canon Law 351 for your reading enlightment Drahthaardogs Jan 2014 #140

The pope can't change canon law? Ohio Joe Jan 2014 #141

Not as it pertains to the Magesterium. Drahthaardogs Jan 2014 #151

Strange... That is not what it says... I cited it Ohio Joe Jan 2014 #153

You missed the word "ordinary power"... Drahthaardogs Jan 2014 #161

So you can't give a cite... Ohio Joe Jan 2014 #162

Why? I give you Canon law and you say it is not true. It is hilarious. Drahthaardogs Jan 2014 #164

No silly... Ohio Joe Jan 2014 #165

Okay, two things going on here. Drahthaardogs Jan 2014 #167

This. +1 n/t Beartracks Jan 2014 #135

Talk is kinda what a Pope does anti partisan Jan 2014 #16

" Popes don't write the laws" ... heh, that is silly Ohio Joe Jan 2014 #21

On issues like labor and trade, the Catholic Church can only do so much anti partisan Jan 2014 #25

It is not his stance on labor or trade I have an issue with Ohio Joe Jan 2014 #71

no and no Drahthaardogs Jan 2014 #69

Of course it is correct... Excuses can't work Ohio Joe Jan 2014 #70

You do not even know what ex-cathedra means Drahthaardogs Jan 2014 #74

So your contention is that because it is rare, he cannot do it? Ohio Joe Jan 2014 #76

No, my contention is Drahthaardogs Jan 2014 #79

Non-sense Ohio Joe Jan 2014 #81

I agree. I like his attitude, but is also like to see TxDemChem Jan 2014 #28

One Step At a Time. imthevicar Jan 2014 #121

It's interesting to see that in so many places outside the USA AleksS Jan 2014 #3

Sorry, can't answer your question. But just have another thought... Beartracks Jan 2014 #33

Which is why I am so encouraged to have a Pope who is pointing out the error of those ways. Dark n Stormy Knight Jan 2014 #128

There are huge differences in European countries. OldEurope Jan 2014 #106

"Unions are the bulwark against economic and political totalitarianism." stg81 Jan 2014 #4

On the other hand, women should sit in the back of the bus. Luminous Animal Jan 2014 #5

No they shouldn't. And that is another issue. nt delrem Jan 2014 #13

Of course. Sit in the back of the bus. Luminous Animal Jan 2014 #14

I said "no, they shouldn't". Why do you falsify??? delrem Jan 2014 #17

It is always "another issue" when it comes to women's rights. Luminous Animal Jan 2014 #19

I will not discuss issues with someone who reads "no" and quotes it as "yes". delrem Jan 2014 #22

"And that is another issue". As if you didn't write that. Luminous Animal Jan 2014 #23

It was you who willfully lied about what I said. DISMISSED! nt delrem Jan 2014 #24

So. What are your opinions about the Catholic Church and women? Luminous Animal Jan 2014 #26

I said DISMISSED. nt delrem Jan 2014 #30

Indeed! Luminous Animal Jan 2014 #39

One might hope, but I suspect you are wrong... Demo_Chris Jan 2014 #31

Enough of the hyperbole. Many here? Seriously? Live and Learn Jan 2014 #37

Post removed Post removed Jan 2014 #44

+10 840high Jan 2014 #137

You're full of it. TekGryphon Jan 2014 #41

Stop shitting on the poor with your elitism. TekGryphon Jan 2014 #43

Stop shitting on poor women who have slim to little access to reproductive autonomy due to the Luminous Animal Jan 2014 #49

This thread is about unions and their benefit to the poor working class. TekGryphon Jan 2014 #51

+1 nt Live and Learn Jan 2014 #57

You forgot anti-Catholic. A Simple Game Jan 2014 #88

Taking a strong stand against the church's ant-gay and ant-abortion policies totodeinhere Jan 2014 #102

How long until a Limbecile takes a shot at the Pope? Doctor_J Jan 2014 #7

Working for unions is not an easy job, it is a forever fight, to give of time and effort Thinkingabout Jan 2014 #8

Never thought I would see the day when I would cheer for a pope. pa28 Jan 2014 #9

This message was self-deleted by its author Demo_Chris Jan 2014 #11

Hell, my dad used to say that. defacto7 Jan 2014 #12

I've never been a big fan of organized religion, but I gotta say that I love this Pope. W T F Jan 2014 #15

This Pope gives me great hope. 840high Jan 2014 #138

Unions are equal to management under the law.... Spitfire of ATJ Jan 2014 #20

Good for him. I hope all those Republican Catholics here who are so anti-Union are sabrina 1 Jan 2014 #27

As a South American native... elzenmahn Jan 2014 #29

Yeah, what did he say about abortion last week? Vashta Nerada Jan 2014 #32

And that has what to do with this issue? rpannier Jan 2014 #34

It's all talk. Vashta Nerada Jan 2014 #38

Ahhh... the person with the crystal ball rpannier Jan 2014 #50

Yeah, it's going to take more than a cute little internet quote for me to like pope frank. Vashta Nerada Jan 2014 #53

Frankly, I don't care if you 840high Jan 2014 #139

Good for you. Vashta Nerada Jan 2014 #143

Um.... because the powerful institution that he represents fucks over half the population? Luminous Animal Jan 2014 #40

Point to one leader who is 100% perfect on every progressive issue, please. TekGryphon Jan 2014 #46

He's so dreamy! So what if he heads a powerful institution that denies women their own agency. Luminous Animal Jan 2014 #52

I'm sorry. TekGryphon Jan 2014 #55

+1111111111 Niceguy1 Jan 2014 #62

It's one thing to not be an active champion of EVERY issue skepticscott Jan 2014 #110

No, I don't get it. TekGryphon Jan 2014 #115

"This Pope has been FAR more progressive on the equality of both women and gays" theHandpuppet Jan 2014 #122

Sure. TekGryphon Jan 2014 #126

Just in case anyone is tempted to click on the second link theHandpuppet Jan 2014 #133

diddly squat, to be precise. PeaceNikki Jan 2014 #136

Hardly diddly squat. TekGryphon Jan 2014 #145

Sure. Post your full name and mailing address then hold your breath while I mail you my resume. PeaceNikki Jan 2014 #146

In other words... TekGryphon Jan 2014 #147

You really need to back the fuck off, chief. PeaceNikki Jan 2014 #149

You still haven't answered even the first question. theHandpuppet Jan 2014 #152

Good grief, you really don't get it, do you? skepticscott Jan 2014 #123

I'm sorry. TekGryphon Jan 2014 #125

What progress? skepticscott Jan 2014 #127

First show me what you've done. TekGryphon Jan 2014 #130

And so begins the dodging and backpedaling..what a shock skepticscott Jan 2014 #131

Post removed Post removed Jan 2014 #144

I think we can consider it settled skepticscott Jan 2014 #156

You ought to get out more theHandpuppet Jan 2014 #150

thank you PeaceNikki Jan 2014 #129

I'd be willing to bet you have previously said you agree with some things Rand Paul says. randome Jan 2014 #86

ummmm rpannier Jan 2014 #48

You apparently think women's rights aren't tied to economic justice. NYC Liberal Jan 2014 #92

Go make a thread shitting on the poor. TekGryphon Jan 2014 #45

Nice strawman there. Vashta Nerada Jan 2014 #54

Sure you do. You did it above. nt Live and Learn Jan 2014 #58

Excellent. It's funny how all the persistent defenders of corporate predatory policy woo me with science Jan 2014 #35

knr Douglas Carpenter Jan 2014 #36

He's just a man and as with all humans, Phlem Jan 2014 #42

Wow! Now we have to advise Cha Jan 2014 #47

Seems like this quote isn't from him but Oberlin, a college newspaper, I think... Humanist_Activist Jan 2014 #56

Good catch theHandpuppet Jan 2014 #64

It's been corrected. Triana Jan 2014 #90

Falsehoods and exaggerations are the meat of too many of the Pope posts Bluenorthwest Jan 2014 #93

Thanks. theHandpuppet Jan 2014 #108

Is it the fundamental delusion that causes all of you to ignore the fact that he Egalitarian Thug Jan 2014 #59

Pope, Pope! Rah, rah, rah! eShirl Jan 2014 #61

Truth is truth no matter who carries it BelgianMadCow Jan 2014 #63

It's a fact. K&R. Enthusiast Jan 2014 #65

"A decent and humane society is impossible under capitalism" - TBF Jan 2014 #66

Great stuff. Kingofalldems Jan 2014 #67

Malachy said this is the last Pope Recursion Jan 2014 #73

The quote in the OP is from the Oberlin College student newspaper theHandpuppet Jan 2014 #75

Remember how John Paul II was credited with reviving the Catholic Church? DetlefK Jan 2014 #78

Good for him shenmue Jan 2014 #82

A true statement, regardless jsr Jan 2014 #85

Funny how many of the Fancis Superstar posts are untrue or exaggerated Bluenorthwest Jan 2014 #91

Yep. Vashta Nerada Jan 2014 #96

Funny how the Francis fans didn't show up in the thread about Ratz defrocking 400 priests NYC Liberal Jan 2014 #97

Of course not. Vashta Nerada Jan 2014 #98

I don't like either of them. They're BOTH anti-gay, anti-women bigots. NYC Liberal Jan 2014 #99

People almost remained quiet about Francis's opposition to abortion last week. Vashta Nerada Jan 2014 #100

Joe Lieberman is way more liberal on the issues than Francis is, but NYC Liberal Jan 2014 #101

amen. PeaceNikki Jan 2014 #105

This thread is awesome... SidDithers Jan 2014 #103

And.... Triana Jan 2014 #104

Falsehoods and exaggerations are the meat of too many of the Pope posts Bluenorthwest Jan 2014 #113

I don't "support such views" Triana Jan 2014 #118

All I'm saying is that folks who insist on promoting an anti gay and anti choice Bluenorthwest Jan 2014 #154

I find it amusing that the other day you had a post slamming forced birthers, and another one... Humanist_Activist Jan 2014 #116

See my comment re: black and white thinking. Triana Jan 2014 #117

So what? I agree with many libertarians on many civil liberty issues, doesn't mean I post... Humanist_Activist Jan 2014 #119

What YOU do is your business. What *I* do is mine. Triana Jan 2014 #120

I see a lot of people giving this Pope uncritical praise for comments that are, quite frankly... Humanist_Activist Jan 2014 #157

Gee, what a shock skepticscott Jan 2014 #109

Pope Francis: "Today we also have to say 'thou shalt not' to an economy of exclusion pnwmom Jan 2014 #114

I am religious, catholic and very proud LukeFL Jan 2014 #148