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50. Calling out a liar isn't a bad thing, need more of it though...

Sat Mar 17, 2012, 11:30 PM

Mar 2012

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APPLE, CHINA, AND THE TRUTH

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But Daisey lied. He made up things about his trip, and the show’s attempts at fact-checking failed to uncover them. It all fell apart when Rob Schmitz, a seasoned reporter who is the China correspondent for the public-radio program “Marketplace,” got suspicious and tracked down the translator who’d worked with Daisey. It’s worth a listen, but, in short, Schmitz discovers that Daisey made up scenes, never took notes, conflated workers, never visited a dorm room, and so on. Watching it unravel from Beijing makes me wonder: What does the debacle say about how we all look at China? Why were so many people so eager to believe it?

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This American Life -- Has it "jumped the shark"? [View all] shcrane71 Mar 2012 OP

Excuse my ignorance but ???? lunatica Mar 2012 #1

Who is Mike Daisey? The Velveteen Ocelot Mar 2012 #2

a documentary guy who did an expose on foxconn. unfortunately, he falsified some of his research dionysus Mar 2012 #3

Oh, that guy. The Velveteen Ocelot Mar 2012 #5

making stuff up hasn't hurt James O'Keefe at all. provis99 Mar 2012 #6

It should, though. The Velveteen Ocelot Mar 2012 #11

Fox News gets much higher ratings than CNN or MSNBC provis99 Mar 2012 #80

What that means is only that there are a lot of The Velveteen Ocelot Mar 2012 #81

so? should that be the template to follow? cali Mar 2012 #15

these people crawled out of a sewer. provis99 Mar 2012 #43

oh for the love of pete. cali Mar 2012 #56

Daisy is a monologist: a theatrical performer, not a documentarian. Warren Stupidity Mar 2012 #7

He lied to the fact-checkers. 11cents Mar 2012 #44

He swore it was true. And more than once. cbayer Mar 2012 #51

Mixed up? You are very generous. BOHICA12 Mar 2012 #27

It's TAL, and Glass's responsibility to fact check what TAL and Glass airs. shcrane71 Mar 2012 #33

Daisey put Ira Glass's and TAL's entire reputation on the line, imo. cbayer Mar 2012 #4

Ira should take personal responsibility. shcrane71 Mar 2012 #8

Exactly. Warren Stupidity Mar 2012 #9

I only heard a part of it on MarketPlace yesterday, so I can't really comment on the whole cbayer Mar 2012 #10

He did take a great deal of responsibility. nolabear Mar 2012 #29

OK, I listened to the whole thing and I completely disagree with you. cbayer Mar 2012 #34

Why is this "performance artist" making shit up about Apple? MNBrewer Mar 2012 #38

He didn't make shit up about Apple, he made up a narrative about him visiting Foxconn factories. joshcryer Mar 2012 #40

I've got a question about the translator jsmirman Mar 2012 #58

If you listen to the show you will get your answers. cbayer Mar 2012 #74

I disagree. Daisy flat out lied about parts of the story. Do you realize that? Ira did what real.... Logical Mar 2012 #12

Shakespeare flat out lied about parts of richard the III. Warren Stupidity Mar 2012 #13

Maybe the dumbest response I have read this week. Logical Mar 2012 #16

You do understand that The Agony and Ecstasy of Steve Jobs is a play, right? Warren Stupidity Mar 2012 #19

It was repeatedly represented as truth to Ira Glass and his staff. cbayer Mar 2012 #36

Fact checking is not "ask the author if it is true". Warren Stupidity Mar 2012 #59

Did you listen to the show? Do you know what legnths they went to to verify this story? cbayer Mar 2012 #65

I'll let Ira Glass respond to you. Warren Stupidity Mar 2012 #69

Correct. That's why I object to the posts here saying he took no responsibility. cbayer Mar 2012 #70

And again, the onus on fact checking rests on Glass and his staff. Warren Stupidity Mar 2012 #72

You are right. He's not a journalist. He's a lying douche, though. cbayer Mar 2012 #75

It's a monologue in which Daisey claims to recounting his actual experiences. 11cents Mar 2012 #45

Exactly. And when Ira Glass asks him if he will now tell the audience that it is a story, cbayer Mar 2012 #52

Have you seen it? Warren Stupidity Mar 2012 #73

+10 shcrane71 Mar 2012 #18

A retraction is all that is needed. shcrane71 Mar 2012 #14

I doubt TAL or Ira likes being duped by Daisy. I don't blame them! Logical Mar 2012 #17

Ira's a big boy. He knew that Daisey wasn't a journalist. shcrane71 Mar 2012 #20

If Daisy was not a journalist then he should have said up from he was telling a fictional story. Logical Mar 2012 #21

It's not about Daisey. It's about Ira's over-the-top reaction. shcrane71 Mar 2012 #23

Ira trusted him not to be a liar. He deserves to be pissed. Logical Mar 2012 #24

Don't run a show that hasn't been vetted. TAL said themselves that it didn't take long shcrane71 Mar 2012 #32

Come out and say it, you don't like Ira Glass. It's clear that this isn't about being "dignified" MNBrewer Mar 2012 #39

sigh... I dislike Ira Glass's actions. Nothing against him personally. shcrane71 Mar 2012 #47

He didn't hit him ... BOHICA12 Mar 2012 #26

I don't think that they jumped the shark, but they did exactly what Daisey feared. joshcryer Mar 2012 #22

I listen to the original story and bought it .... BOHICA12 Mar 2012 #25

+1000 well said!! Logical Mar 2012 #67

I thought it quite remarkable. nolabear Mar 2012 #28

If TAL is a news show, I like a little less emotion & vindictiveness in my journalism. shcrane71 Mar 2012 #31

I hate Ira Glass' voice Tom Ripley Mar 2012 #30

You ask a question and then go hammer and tong at any answer BOHICA12 Mar 2012 #35

Really??? You think that Limbaugh and his dittoheads are going to be calling shcrane71 Mar 2012 #64

So you support a liar? former9thward Mar 2012 #37

the guy lied and used npr as a platform to spread his lies arely staircase Mar 2012 #41

Did you listen to Daisey's monologue? Don't use a performance artist to shcrane71 Mar 2012 #62

Daisy NEVER said the following is not truthful! He sold it as a 100% true story! Logical Mar 2012 #68

Are you intentionally trying to miss the point? shcrane71 Mar 2012 #76

It misread the meme, and tried humping the shark. The shark didn't take kindly to it. saras Mar 2012 #42

He should be humiliated for lying. Bonobo Mar 2012 #46

Who is responsible for fact checking what airs on This American Life? shcrane71 Mar 2012 #48

Ira is responsible ultimately and exercised it by calling out the liar. nt Bonobo Mar 2012 #55

I just read the transcript and thought it was well done. Brickbat Mar 2012 #49

Calling out a liar isn't a bad thing, need more of it though... got root Mar 2012 #50

Call a liar a liar, but save brow-beating, public humiliation for American Idol shcrane71 Mar 2012 #53

disagree, the more humiliation, the less likely someone will engage in it again got root Mar 2012 #54

Asking a journalist to do their job isn't blaming the victim. shcrane71 Mar 2012 #60

"Jumped shark"? no... dropped the ball? yes. bigtime. stlsaxman Mar 2012 #57

Love your Dorothy Day quote. shcrane71 Mar 2012 #61

I haven't listened to it but look forward to it. grantcart Mar 2012 #63

Daisey isn't a journalist. He was described by glass as a performance artist. shcrane71 Mar 2012 #66

And Mike Daisey responds. Warren Stupidity Mar 2012 #71

The biggest losers in the Daisey/Glass collaboration are the Chinese workers. shcrane71 Mar 2012 #77

If you would go back and listen to the whole show, I think you would find that cbayer Mar 2012 #78

I turned the radio up after the Daisey/Ira exchange. shcrane71 Mar 2012 #79

the information and the entertainment of This American Life remain consistent... LanternWaste Mar 2012 #82