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Showing Original Post only (View all)The New Yorker: SNOWDEN CALLS RUSSIAN-SPY STORY “ABSURD” [View all]
http://www.newyorker.com/online/blogs/newsdesk/2014/01/snowden-calls-russian-spy-story-absurd.htmlSome observers, looking at the possibility that Snowden was in league with the Russian government before taking asylum there, have pointed to a report in a Russian newspaper, Kommersant, that before leaving Hong Kong last June Snowden stayed at the Russian consulate. Snowdens legal adviser, Ben Wizner, a lawyer with the American Civil Liberties Union, denied that report, however, saying, Every news organization in the world has been trying to confirm that story. They havent been able to, because its false.
Snowden told me that having a go bag packedsomething that Rogers described as highly suspiciousreflected his work deployed overseas for the C.I.A. Hed had a go bag packed since 2007. Its not an exotic practice for people who have lived undercover on government orders, Snowden said.
Its not the smears that mystify me, Snowden told me. Its that outlets report statements that the speakers themselves admit are sheer speculation. Snowden went on to poke fun at the range of allegations that have been made against him in the media without intelligence officials providing some kind of factual basis: We dont know if he had help from aliens. You know, I have serious questions about whether he really exists.
Snowden told me that having a go bag packedsomething that Rogers described as highly suspiciousreflected his work deployed overseas for the C.I.A. Hed had a go bag packed since 2007. Its not an exotic practice for people who have lived undercover on government orders, Snowden said.
Its not the smears that mystify me, Snowden told me. Its that outlets report statements that the speakers themselves admit are sheer speculation. Snowden went on to poke fun at the range of allegations that have been made against him in the media without intelligence officials providing some kind of factual basis: We dont know if he had help from aliens. You know, I have serious questions about whether he really exists.
The Nixon admin tried to smear Ellsberg as a Russian spy...
https://pressfreedomfoundation.org/blog/2014/01/russian-spy-tactics-used-rep-rogers-snowden-were-pioneered-nixon-admin-against-daniel
Before Snowden, Nixon Admin Pioneered Evidence-Free 'Russian Spy' Smears Against Daniel Ellsberg
While its well-known that Rep. Rogers has a long history of making things up and telling the media, it's less known that his tactics are drawn straight from Richard Nixons playbook, when his administration tried to discredit Daniel Ellsberg after he leaked the Pentagon Papers to the New York Times in 1971.
Ellsberg is commonly looked at as the quintessential whistleblower today, but shortly after he leaked the top secret Vietnam War study, the Nixon administration made a concerted effort to paint him as a Soviet spy in the press, using anonymous quotes and non-existent secret evidence. (Sound familiar?)
This is from the New York Times on August 11, 1973:
Ellsberg is commonly looked at as the quintessential whistleblower today, but shortly after he leaked the top secret Vietnam War study, the Nixon administration made a concerted effort to paint him as a Soviet spy in the press, using anonymous quotes and non-existent secret evidence. (Sound familiar?)
This is from the New York Times on August 11, 1973:
An attorney for Dr. Daniel Ellsberg has chided the Senate Watergate committee for failing to challenge what he called totally false and slanderous testimony by the former White House aide, John D. Ehrlichman, suggesting that Dr. Ellsberg delivered copies of the Pentagon papers to the Soviet embassy.
During his testimony before your committee, Mr. Ehrlichman repeatedly asserted that the Pentagon papers had been given in 1971 to the Soviet Embassy and implied that this might have been done by my client, Dr. Daniel Ellsberg, or with his knowledge, the attorney, Leonard B. Boudin, who wrote the committee. These allegations are made of whole cloth; they are totally false and slanderous of Dr. Ellsberg.
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"Comrade Eddie, we need you to infiltrate the NSA and steal their secrets."
Luminous Animal
Jan 2014
#10
It is not a reasonable hypothesis that he is a Russian spy, what IS a reasonable hypothesis is that
sabrina 1
Jan 2014
#12
The US hasn't forced Snowden to stay in Russia. His passport, however,
struggle4progress
Jan 2014
#62
Why did they US wait until he was landing in Russia to make sure he couldn't leave there?
sabrina 1
Jan 2014
#118
The distinction between the Legislative branch and the Executive branch must be mastered
struggle4progress
Jan 2014
#160
He's not charged with spying, so the federal prosecutor will have the fairly easy job
msanthrope
Jan 2014
#27
agree its possible...not going to say its true....but a definite possiblity...
VanillaRhapsody
Jan 2014
#39
Actually he is far from 'an idiot' apparently he's quite brilliant according to people who
sabrina 1
Jan 2014
#14
Anybody with federal charges against them, talking to the press about what's in
msanthrope
Jan 2014
#18
Thanks for answering my question. He is absolutely correct to slap down the lies
sabrina 1
Jan 2014
#52
No..I don't answer your questions. And the Supreme Court tossed charges against
msanthrope
Jan 2014
#57
The US Government waited until he landed for a stopover in Russia and then took his passport
sabrina 1
Jan 2014
#65
So? Are you saying there aren't people like yourself that would "break the law"
VanillaRhapsody
Jan 2014
#67
did I say "powerful" I said others much like yourself that hero worship him...
VanillaRhapsody
Jan 2014
#90
"... Edward Snowden's passport was annulled before he left Hong Kong for Russia. Snowden's travel
struggle4progress
Jan 2014
#76
Though debunked long ago, it will be repeated again and again into the future
struggle4progress
Jan 2014
#96
sabrina claimed his passport was not revoked until he was in Russia: I pointed out
struggle4progress
Jan 2014
#114
You need to look up the meaning of "defected". It does not mean what you
Luminous Animal
Jan 2014
#9
Except since you dont know what the true deal is or whats in his head, you have no support
stevenleser
Jan 2014
#19
The US Government FORCED Snowden to stay in Russia. So you might want to rethink
sabrina 1
Jan 2014
#15
No, it wasn't his plan at all. Surely you wouldn't be commenting on something you appear to not
sabrina 1
Jan 2014
#69
Uh, we have the record to rely on. You know, documentation, facts, proof. The world knows where
sabrina 1
Jan 2014
#109
No, I don't collect official records, but officials do. Understand what that means? It means
sabrina 1
Jan 2014
#123
Make sure that you see Post #76 which CLEARLY states that his passport was revoked BEFORE he went
Number23
Jan 2014
#150
This government is more concerned about killing messengers than fixing problems
davidn3600
Jan 2014
#7
I don't know of many "whistleblowers" that run away to China and Russia
VanillaRhapsody
Jan 2014
#42
I must have missed some stories about the US government offing whistle-blowers
struggle4progress
Jan 2014
#98
You do know that "killing the messenger" is a figure of speech, right?
Luminous Animal
Jan 2014
#116
It's hard to know what people might mean, what with Snowden claiming he's in fear
struggle4progress
Jan 2014
#138
Why did the US Government force Snowden to remain in Russia which was merely a couple of hours
sabrina 1
Jan 2014
#16
Are you suggesting that the US should not try to apprehend accused felons,
Progressive dog
Jan 2014
#22
I was waiting for this talking point after I saw Feinstein and her Republican buddy 'wonder'
sabrina 1
Jan 2014
#30
Assange's laundress? Where, exactly does she think she's going to be a witness? nt
msanthrope
Jan 2014
#73
Someone had to wash Julian's socks and keep his diary...which she bragged about....
msanthrope
Jan 2014
#125
"Hong Kong .. is one of the .. Special Administrative Regions of the People's Republic of China"
struggle4progress
Jan 2014
#79
The bottom line is that Hong Kong is part of China, the transfer from the UK to China having
struggle4progress
Jan 2014
#95
I was once challenged by a drunk in a bar to see which of us could actually pee onto the ceiling
struggle4progress
Jan 2014
#122
Sure he can...he has LOTS of connections right? YOU would help him wouldn't you?
VanillaRhapsody
Jan 2014
#49
so he is not "stuck" is he? The big "hero" SHOULD be able to go anywhere he wants...
VanillaRhapsody
Jan 2014
#66
His connections were able to engineer his travel without passport from Hong Kong to Russia,
struggle4progress
Jan 2014
#93
Well...that was rather a stupid risk for him, then? As for Ms. Harrison, who knows if she's
msanthrope
Jan 2014
#127
It is she who chose to present herself in this manner. It is not how you or I might
msanthrope
Jan 2014
#136
The travel issue would not have been whether Hong Kong would let him leave but whether Aeroflot
struggle4progress
Jan 2014
#134
Big meanie Obama is forcing Snowden to stay in Russia! Although I bet the US Embassy
msanthrope
Jan 2014
#21
Look...Snowden would be sipping mojitos in warm, sunny Cuba or hangin' with Glenn
msanthrope
Jan 2014
#29
It's exactly what you'd expect a couple of politicians on the payroll to say.
Tierra_y_Libertad
Jan 2014
#38
I can't believe they're still using the old 'right wing' commie garbage. It means nothing to
sabrina 1
Jan 2014
#105
And if he weighs the same as a duck, he's made of wood, and therefore...
Electric Monk
Jan 2014
#130
not absurd...but a distinct possibility....I don't necessarily believe it...
VanillaRhapsody
Jan 2014
#46
So, what's done more harm to America? Snowden's whistle blowing or the NSA?
Tierra_y_Libertad
Jan 2014
#26
Obviously, we have different definitions of what constitutes "weakness" and "courage".
Tierra_y_Libertad
Jan 2014
#131
Well, let's examine just one of the claims made by Rogers: in his recent Meet the Press
struggle4progress
Jan 2014
#58
It seems pretty sensible if you expect your government to pursue you.
Tierra_y_Libertad
Jan 2014
#120
It might indeed seem natural under those circumstances: I bet Butch Cassidy kept a go-bag packed!
struggle4progress
Jan 2014
#129
Which, obviously, means that Snowden is no fool in the face of the regime's attitude towards whistle
Tierra_y_Libertad
Jan 2014
#133
re·gime noun \rā-ˈzhēm, ri- also ri-ˈjēm\ : a form of government : a particular government
Tierra_y_Libertad
Jan 2014
#144
When someone doesn't use the whistleblower statutes, they aren't a whistleblower.
msanthrope
Jan 2014
#168
Gosh. You mean he wasn't "just following orders" like a good...patriot?
Tierra_y_Libertad
Jan 2014
#170
See...here's the great thing about whistleblower statutes...if you follow them, you
msanthrope
Jan 2014
#175
+ a MILLION on Bunny Greenhouse. How very interesting that hardly anyone here ever talks about her
Number23
Jan 2014
#179
Well, she's a Black, female soldier who did her duty. She refused to go on the firebagger
msanthrope
Jan 2014
#181
And the whistleblower center that her lawyer founded and presides as president
Luminous Animal
Jan 2014
#205
I respect Mr. Kohn, but I think calling Linda Tripp a "whistleblower" stretches credibility. I note
msanthrope
Jan 2014
#206
My #58 discussed a point in a paragraph appearing in the OP and provided multiple links
struggle4progress
Jan 2014
#164
Personally, I think anyone slandering Edward Snowden is defending the lawlessness of the NSA.
RC
Jan 2014
#161
Absurd to think the US should grant clemency to Snowden, his crime is not one to
Thinkingabout
Jan 2014
#202