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just1voice

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41. You substantiate your denial

Sat Mar 17, 2012, 11:48 PM

Mar 2012

The police have used all kinds of weapons on people in the past and present, regardless of future law suits. A lot of innocent people get abused as well, as in the case of "Boss Hogtie" in D.C. where the police corralled 300 people and arrested them all, many of whom were innocent bystanders and tourists.

Abuse is the norm for police departments, they don't worry about repercussions.

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"You're Gonna Feel It:" U.S. Military Unveils New Crowd Control "Heat Ray" Weapon [View all] Better Believe It Mar 2012 OP

Cool, I support it. USArmyParatrooper Mar 2012 #1

What purpose does this kind of weaponry serve the military? think Mar 2012 #4

To deal with high risk situations without having to kill. USArmyParatrooper Mar 2012 #6

Thank you for your response. Although I'm totally against this because I fear it will be used think Mar 2012 #8

I'm not worried about it. USArmyParatrooper Mar 2012 #11

And why are you certain the military brass won't use this weapon in the Northern Command against us? Better Believe It Mar 2012 #16

The fact that Hoover wasn't tried for treason says we're screwed the next time that happens. Zalatix Mar 2012 #47

Surely you concede the necessity of drawing up strict standards for the use of this weapon customerserviceguy Mar 2012 #9

I think those are fair concerns. USArmyParatrooper Mar 2012 #12

I would have agreed with you customerserviceguy Mar 2012 #15

Do you think the military and cops should use this weapon to bust political demonstrations/strikes? Better Believe It Mar 2012 #13

That depends. USArmyParatrooper Mar 2012 #14

How about the military using the weapon to break up OWS demonstration if some right-wing judge .... Better Believe It Mar 2012 #17

Do you have any recent examples USArmyParatrooper Mar 2012 #18

The military has provided a video on how the weapon will be used on protestors. Better Believe It Mar 2012 #19

You're reaching. USArmyParatrooper Mar 2012 #20

Thanks for the objective viewpoint. It is appreciated. randome Mar 2012 #22

Post removed Post removed Mar 2012 #68

Legalized mass-torture. That's really fucking special. n/t backscatter712 Mar 2012 #43

I remember Mike Malloy talking about this. Among his concerns - truedelphi Mar 2012 #62

Like the rest of our "non-lethal" tortures, it kills the weak before stopping the strong saras Mar 2012 #2

Surely you wouldn't just make that up. USArmyParatrooper Mar 2012 #7

You substantiate your denial just1voice Mar 2012 #41

You're the one that made the accusation. USArmyParatrooper Mar 2012 #45

"They've tested the device on 11,000 volunteers" When? Where? Were any of them civilians? Better Believe It Mar 2012 #46

I'll provide the link. USArmyParatrooper Mar 2012 #50

Thanks for confirming that your statement was wrong. It was 700 "volunteers", not 11,000. Better Believe It Mar 2012 #55

I'm stuck on the mobile version. USArmyParatrooper Mar 2012 #56

Great. Occupiers, take care! Taverner Mar 2012 #3

and maybe every future protest or march too, should take care stuntcat Mar 2012 #24

Guns can be used to prevent protests, too. randome Mar 2012 #25

+10000 Taverner Mar 2012 #37

Occupy frying pan! nt obliviously Mar 2012 #40

Negotiating with people is hard work. Ron Green Mar 2012 #5

Prediction: Local cops will be given Homeland Security grants to buy this thing. Bozita Mar 2012 #10

So why aren't they given grants to use other weapons now? randome Mar 2012 #23

They are. Millions in federal funds are being used to arm local cops with advanced weaponry. Better Believe It Mar 2012 #27

You have links to prove this? randome Mar 2012 #28

Homeland Security has given 34 billion for weapons in the last decade. former9thward Mar 2012 #31

Guns. That's what they've bought. randome Mar 2012 #32

Nonsense. First, it's not just one town in Texas. woo me with science Mar 2012 #35

You're right. The cops will never be used against the people. Never have, never will. Better Believe It Mar 2012 #42

This will certainly help avoid another Kent State murder ...because military... L0oniX Mar 2012 #21

Umm this is a non lethal device that doesnt look like its as likely cstanleytech Mar 2012 #49

Did I say "gun"? DUH! L0oniX Mar 2012 #53

Active Denial System: who comes up with these names? dogknob Mar 2012 #26

Yes, it's what we need Ricochet21 Mar 2012 #29

"Active Denial System" girl gone mad Mar 2012 #58

Got to be a weakness in these things. Find a way to ........... socialist_n_TN Mar 2012 #30

Who is Common Dreams staff? blue neen Mar 2012 #33

The defense of such weaponry is they will be used appropriately felix_numinous Mar 2012 #34

"They will be used appropriately"... backscatter712 Mar 2012 #44

Odd, here I thought it was a better option than bullets to control crowds that cstanleytech Mar 2012 #48

It's the DU contingent that wants to believe government is evil. randome Mar 2012 #51

Is it? Was the DU 'contingent' wrong about the Bush administration? sabrina 1 Mar 2012 #67

When Colonel Taffola says "you" at the public unveiling, over and over again gratuitous Mar 2012 #36

What sort of shielding will work on this thing? Mopar151 Mar 2012 #38

Sounds like a perfect weapon for terrorists to get their hands on, and dictatorships ShadowLiberal Mar 2012 #39

What if people shield themselves... Bigmack Mar 2012 #52

DU rec. nt woo me with science Mar 2012 #54

If memory serves from the last time this was brought up here, Heywood J Mar 2012 #57

Imagine getting your hands on this titaniumsalute Mar 2012 #59

The device won't pop popcorn. nt USArmyParatrooper Mar 2012 #74

Isn't it funny that it's basically the anti-OWS contingent around here that is fine with this? Marr Mar 2012 #60

Not "funny" but yes it is revealing. Better Believe It Mar 2012 #61

I propose an experiment. woo me with science Mar 2012 #64

I think so as well. nt TBF Mar 2012 #69

Debt forgiveness, single-payer healthcare, improving our education system? white_wolf Mar 2012 #63

Libraries, schools, the arts... woo me with science Mar 2012 #75

Argh. Commondreams again. gulliver Mar 2012 #65

Do you wish to refute the article or do you prefer a "drive-by" attack on the website? Better Believe It Mar 2012 #66

Really? I suppose you prefer FAUX news. nt TBF Mar 2012 #70

As for me... randome Mar 2012 #71

Which has nothing to do with news sources - TBF Mar 2012 #72

I prefer to call it 'objective'. randome Mar 2012 #73