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15. The US Government FORCED Snowden to stay in Russia. So you might want to rethink

Wed Jan 22, 2014, 11:49 AM

Jan 2014

how reasonable it is now that you know that being in Russia was NOT Snowden's plan at all.

They took away his passport waiting until he was in Russia, on his elsewhere, to stop him from leaving.

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The New Yorker: SNOWDEN CALLS RUSSIAN-SPY STORY “ABSURD” [View all] Luminous Animal Jan 2014 OP

The more things change pscot Jan 2014 #1

At DU, this post may not generate the intended response. Vattel Jan 2014 #2

Meh. It's the same 9 people stuck on auto-replay. Most of DU supports Luminous Animal Jan 2014 #8

the same 9 people bobduca Jan 2014 #28

9? You wish. Far more than that on DU Pretzel_Warrior Jan 2014 #167

I don't subscribe to the theory that Snowden was a Russian spy. randome Jan 2014 #3

Same here, I doubt it, but it's entirely plausible. JaneyVee Jan 2014 #5

"Comrade Eddie, we need you to infiltrate the NSA and steal their secrets." Luminous Animal Jan 2014 #10

How about ... 1StrongBlackMan Jan 2014 #165

It is not a reasonable hypothesis that he is a Russian spy, what IS a reasonable hypothesis is that sabrina 1 Jan 2014 #12

It's standard practice to yank an international fugitive's visa. randome Jan 2014 #37

The US hasn't forced Snowden to stay in Russia. His passport, however, struggle4progress Jan 2014 #62

Why did they US wait until he was landing in Russia to make sure he couldn't leave there? sabrina 1 Jan 2014 #118

The distinction between the Legislative branch and the Executive branch must be mastered struggle4progress Jan 2014 #160

K & R Thinkingabout Jan 2014 #152

Your opinion on who is most reasonably be more likely to lie, false Sheepshank Jan 2014 #142

You mean the government has never lied to us? sabrina 1 Jan 2014 #186

did I say that? Sheepshank Jan 2014 #200

He's not charged with spying, so the federal prosecutor will have the fairly easy job msanthrope Jan 2014 #27

+1 n/t 1StrongBlackMan Jan 2014 #85

agree its possible...not going to say its true....but a definite possiblity... VanillaRhapsody Jan 2014 #39

He's an idiot. And he's defensive. nt msanthrope Jan 2014 #4

Actually he is far from 'an idiot' apparently he's quite brilliant according to people who sabrina 1 Jan 2014 #14

Anybody with federal charges against them, talking to the press about what's in msanthrope Jan 2014 #18

Thanks for answering my question. He is absolutely correct to slap down the lies sabrina 1 Jan 2014 #52

Really? Obama is lied about every hour of every day. randome Jan 2014 #54

No..I don't answer your questions. And the Supreme Court tossed charges against msanthrope Jan 2014 #57

forced? He chose it.... VanillaRhapsody Jan 2014 #40

The US Government waited until he landed for a stopover in Russia and then took his passport sabrina 1 Jan 2014 #65

So? Are you saying there aren't people like yourself that would "break the law" VanillaRhapsody Jan 2014 #67

Perhaps you can offer up some viable plans that Luminous Animal Jan 2014 #78

Like I said... VanillaRhapsody Jan 2014 #81

What does that have to do with his imaginary powerful connections Luminous Animal Jan 2014 #86

did I say "powerful" I said others much like yourself that hero worship him... VanillaRhapsody Jan 2014 #90

He's welcome to come live with my family but he would need Luminous Animal Jan 2014 #97

No he wouldn't....do ALL fugitives have "powerful" connections? VanillaRhapsody Jan 2014 #101

Why did Wikileaks want nothing to do with him? (Except for Sarah Harrison.) randome Jan 2014 #99

They sent one of their key persons to assist him. Luminous Animal Jan 2014 #113

Who did nothing for him other than to pose for a photo-op. randome Jan 2014 #137

"... Edward Snowden's passport was annulled before he left Hong Kong for Russia. Snowden's travel struggle4progress Jan 2014 #76

Well, there goes that talking point...nt SidDithers Jan 2014 #91

Though debunked long ago, it will be repeated again and again into the future struggle4progress Jan 2014 #96

And? Clearly, no senior official or airline is willing to ignore it. Luminous Animal Jan 2014 #104

sabrina claimed his passport was not revoked until he was in Russia: I pointed out struggle4progress Jan 2014 #114

Several people, including Sabrina tend to make stuff up on the fly Sheepshank Jan 2014 #145

Nailed that one Bobbie Jo Jan 2014 #199

Post of the freaking thread, right here Number23 Jan 2014 #148

I dunno, seems reasonable to think he might be a spy Skraxx Jan 2014 #6

You need to look up the meaning of "defected". It does not mean what you Luminous Animal Jan 2014 #9

Except since you dont know what the true deal is or whats in his head, you have no support stevenleser Jan 2014 #19

Looks like defection to me! YMMV Skraxx Jan 2014 #59

The US Government FORCED Snowden to stay in Russia. So you might want to rethink sabrina 1 Jan 2014 #15

where is this "forced" you keep bringing up... VanillaRhapsody Jan 2014 #41

It wasn't his plan? Is that you Ed? Skraxx Jan 2014 #60

No, it wasn't his plan at all. Surely you wouldn't be commenting on something you appear to not sabrina 1 Jan 2014 #69

Really? Not his plan at all? Cuz he said so? Skraxx Jan 2014 #92

Uh, we have the record to rely on. You know, documentation, facts, proof. The world knows where sabrina 1 Jan 2014 #109

Sure you do! "The record", yeah, yeah, that's right. LOL! Skraxx Jan 2014 #119

No, I don't collect official records, but officials do. Understand what that means? It means sabrina 1 Jan 2014 #123

See, this is exactly what you do.... Sheepshank Jan 2014 #203

Make sure that you see Post #76 which CLEARLY states that his passport was revoked BEFORE he went Number23 Jan 2014 #150

Uh, so what? Skraxx Jan 2014 #159

??? Number23 Jan 2014 #177

This government is more concerned about killing messengers than fixing problems davidn3600 Jan 2014 #7

I don't know of many "whistleblowers" that run away to China and Russia VanillaRhapsody Jan 2014 #42

I must have missed some stories about the US government offing whistle-blowers struggle4progress Jan 2014 #98

You do know that "killing the messenger" is a figure of speech, right? Luminous Animal Jan 2014 #116

It's hard to know what people might mean, what with Snowden claiming he's in fear struggle4progress Jan 2014 #138

of course that poster knows that. bobduca Jan 2014 #184

Hey Luminous !!! - Did You Cath THIS: LOL !!! WillyT Jan 2014 #11

LOL love it. Puglover Jan 2014 #102

And we should believe an accused felon who fled Progressive dog Jan 2014 #13

Why did the US Government force Snowden to remain in Russia which was merely a couple of hours sabrina 1 Jan 2014 #16

Are you suggesting that the US should not try to apprehend accused felons, Progressive dog Jan 2014 #22

I was waiting for this talking point after I saw Feinstein and her Republican buddy 'wonder' sabrina 1 Jan 2014 #30

He is an accused felon already, Progressive dog Jan 2014 #36

By his account, he had no data to give when he got to Russia. Luminous Animal Jan 2014 #45

Except for the PR meeting, no one saw him in the airport, did they? randome Jan 2014 #51

Sarah Harrison was with him. So, yes their was a witness Luminous Animal Jan 2014 #55

Assange's laundress? Where, exactly does she think she's going to be a witness? nt msanthrope Jan 2014 #73

What a remarkable sexist comment. Luminous Animal Jan 2014 #108

Someone had to wash Julian's socks and keep his diary...which she bragged about.... msanthrope Jan 2014 #125

By his account-that says it all Progressive dog Jan 2014 #88

How do you know that when he flew to Hong Kong Luminous Animal Jan 2014 #94

That is so obvious that I'll let you think about it nt Progressive dog Jan 2014 #100

Ellsberg was an 'ACCUSED' felon. What is your point? sabrina 1 Jan 2014 #74

What part of Russia is Ellsberg living and Progressive dog Jan 2014 #87

Ellsberg fully supports Snowden and goes further, he calls him a hero. sabrina 1 Jan 2014 #106

So Ellsberg did flee or not Progressive dog Jan 2014 #126

Ellsberg is trustworthy, he has not lied to the American people. sabrina 1 Jan 2014 #187

So Ellsberg did flee or not, Progressive dog Jan 2014 #197

He didn't flee to China. He stayed in a very nice hotel in HONG KONG. Luminous Animal Jan 2014 #50

"Hong Kong .. is one of the .. Special Administrative Regions of the People's Republic of China" struggle4progress Jan 2014 #79

Wow! You shore is a smart guy. Luminous Animal Jan 2014 #83

The bottom line is that Hong Kong is part of China, the transfer from the UK to China having struggle4progress Jan 2014 #95

And both of us know that the relationship between the two Luminous Animal Jan 2014 #103

I was once challenged by a drunk in a bar to see which of us could actually pee onto the ceiling struggle4progress Jan 2014 #122

Ahem...a very big event happened in 1997..... msanthrope Jan 2014 #84

No. I am not a teacher. I've told you before Luminous Animal Jan 2014 #89

ok brief ceasefire to ask arely staircase Jan 2014 #173

Nah. But I'm not a teacher, either. I'm a bean counter. Luminous Animal Jan 2014 #178

too bad arely staircase Jan 2014 #180

Too bad for whom? I am an extraordinary bean counter that Luminous Animal Jan 2014 #193

Hong Kong is in China, are you saying it is not? Progressive dog Jan 2014 #140

Force? He ASKED to stay there..... VanillaRhapsody Jan 2014 #43

Because he can't travel without a passport. Luminous Animal Jan 2014 #47

Sure he can...he has LOTS of connections right? YOU would help him wouldn't you? VanillaRhapsody Jan 2014 #49

Yes I would if I could. Luminous Animal Jan 2014 #56

so he is not "stuck" is he? The big "hero" SHOULD be able to go anywhere he wants... VanillaRhapsody Jan 2014 #66

I'll ask again. What connections does he have that are powerful Luminous Animal Jan 2014 #71

You think that never happens? Seriously? VanillaRhapsody Jan 2014 #72

and no one said he had to "go against the U.S. govt" VanillaRhapsody Jan 2014 #75

His connections were able to engineer his travel without passport from Hong Kong to Russia, struggle4progress Jan 2014 #93

I hear Putin picked him up at the airport! flamingdem Jan 2014 #112

He traveled from Hong Kong to Moscow without a valid passport. nt msanthrope Jan 2014 #115

Because Hong Kong permitted him to leave. Luminous Animal Jan 2014 #121

Well...that was rather a stupid risk for him, then? As for Ms. Harrison, who knows if she's msanthrope Jan 2014 #127

Thank you for ejumacating me that the mere act of Luminous Animal Jan 2014 #135

It is she who chose to present herself in this manner. It is not how you or I might msanthrope Jan 2014 #136

The travel issue would not have been whether Hong Kong would let him leave but whether Aeroflot struggle4progress Jan 2014 #134

yes he can arely staircase Jan 2014 #174

Which is exactly what you'd expect a Russian spy to say... SidDithers Jan 2014 #17

Big meanie Obama is forcing Snowden to stay in Russia! Although I bet the US Embassy msanthrope Jan 2014 #21

Yup. Maybe one of the silliest talking points to emerge yet... SidDithers Jan 2014 #23

Look...Snowden would be sipping mojitos in warm, sunny Cuba or hangin' with Glenn msanthrope Jan 2014 #29

It's a balmy 3 degrees F in Moscow right now... SidDithers Jan 2014 #31

I have experienced a Russian winter...and since Eddie cannot drink, msanthrope Jan 2014 #34

Putin doesn't mind the cold flamingdem Jan 2014 #111

ROFLMAO. That is great!!! stevenleser Jan 2014 #172

. flamingdem Jan 2014 #183

agreed...What do they expect for this...ticker tape parade? VanillaRhapsody Jan 2014 #44

It's possible, but I don't think FSB/SVR/GRU operates this way. stevenleser Jan 2014 #24

Yeah. My tongue was firmly in my cheek when making that post... SidDithers Jan 2014 #25

Thanks for proving me right: sabrina 1 Jan 2014 #32

Keep trying, sabrina... SidDithers Jan 2014 #33

It's blue links...we've finally converted her. nt msanthrope Jan 2014 #35

You can count on it Sid! sabrina 1 Jan 2014 #63

It's exactly what you'd expect a couple of politicians on the payroll to say. Tierra_y_Libertad Jan 2014 #38

Or a communist infiltrator like MLK… Luminous Animal Jan 2014 #64

LOL! Snowden is just like MLK!!... SidDithers Jan 2014 #77

Never said it and I don't claim it. But don't let that stop you. Luminous Animal Jan 2014 #80

awe geez the thumbdrive of liberty arely staircase Jan 2014 #132

Oh the memories, the thumbdrive! flamingdem Jan 2014 #185

USGovtOwesUsThreeTrillion. It's all about the money, you know! randome Jan 2014 #188

yeah I got libertarian debt smell off the Name arely staircase Jan 2014 #189

Postage stamps. The U.S. government owes us three trillion postage stamps. randome Jan 2014 #191

I can't believe they're still using the old 'right wing' commie garbage. It means nothing to sabrina 1 Jan 2014 #105

And if he weighs the same as a duck, he's made of wood, and therefore... Electric Monk Jan 2014 #130

Unlikely...and I have to agree, it is absurd. Xolodno Jan 2014 #20

not absurd...but a distinct possibility....I don't necessarily believe it... VanillaRhapsody Jan 2014 #46

So, what's done more harm to America? Snowden's whistle blowing or the NSA? Tierra_y_Libertad Jan 2014 #26

but they aren't are they? VanillaRhapsody Jan 2014 #48

You mean like the weakling draft resistors that fled to Canada? Tierra_y_Libertad Jan 2014 #53

No I mean like weakling wannabe's VanillaRhapsody Jan 2014 #68

The ones who fled and refused to kill people for politicians. Tierra_y_Libertad Jan 2014 #117

He's a wannabe hero.... VanillaRhapsody Jan 2014 #128

Obviously, we have different definitions of what constitutes "weakness" and "courage". Tierra_y_Libertad Jan 2014 #131

"courage of your convictions" VanillaRhapsody Jan 2014 #196

Are you 12 years old? Is your world populated with action figures? DisgustipatedinCA Jan 2014 #195

Well, let's examine just one of the claims made by Rogers: in his recent Meet the Press struggle4progress Jan 2014 #58

Oh, come on. Who doesn't keep a series of 'Go' bags handy? randome Jan 2014 #61

I check the Zombie report every morning flamingdem Jan 2014 #107

It seems pretty sensible if you expect your government to pursue you. Tierra_y_Libertad Jan 2014 #120

It might indeed seem natural under those circumstances: I bet Butch Cassidy kept a go-bag packed! struggle4progress Jan 2014 #129

Which, obviously, means that Snowden is no fool in the face of the regime's attitude towards whistle Tierra_y_Libertad Jan 2014 #133

regime arely staircase Jan 2014 #143

re·gime noun \rā-ˈzhēm, ri- also ri-ˈjēm\ : a form of government : a particular government Tierra_y_Libertad Jan 2014 #144

Marching towards idiocracy in front of our very eyes. Luminous Animal Jan 2014 #149

you got that right nt arely staircase Jan 2014 #154

lol arely staircase Jan 2014 #153

Pursuing whistle blowers is hardley "benign". Tierra_y_Libertad Jan 2014 #163

regime AND fascism arely staircase Jan 2014 #166

Do you not consider pursuing whistleblowers fasicistic? Tierra_y_Libertad Jan 2014 #169

maybe I don't agree with your premises arely staircase Jan 2014 #171

When someone doesn't use the whistleblower statutes, they aren't a whistleblower. msanthrope Jan 2014 #168

Gosh. You mean he wasn't "just following orders" like a good...patriot? Tierra_y_Libertad Jan 2014 #170

See...here's the great thing about whistleblower statutes...if you follow them, you msanthrope Jan 2014 #175

+ a MILLION on Bunny Greenhouse. How very interesting that hardly anyone here ever talks about her Number23 Jan 2014 #179

Well, she's a Black, female soldier who did her duty. She refused to go on the firebagger msanthrope Jan 2014 #181

And the whistleblower center that her lawyer founded and presides as president Luminous Animal Jan 2014 #205

I respect Mr. Kohn, but I think calling Linda Tripp a "whistleblower" stretches credibility. I note msanthrope Jan 2014 #206

and don't forget about those packed go-boxes that he had ready in his garage frylock Jan 2014 #139

That doesn't seem a cogent response in anything in this thread struggle4progress Jan 2014 #141

yeah, no shit? frylock Jan 2014 #162

My #58 discussed a point in a paragraph appearing in the OP and provided multiple links struggle4progress Jan 2014 #164

Notice he thought he was important enough for a packed-go bag" treestar Jan 2014 #190

When you land on a blue square, you get another Go Bag! What fun! randome Jan 2014 #192

... With every move he makes, another chance he takes. struggle4progress Jan 2014 #194

I love that song! randome Jan 2014 #201

Dayum this thread is a fun read Cali_Democrat Jan 2014 #70

Giddy up? flamingdem Jan 2014 #110

Stop it! Cali_Democrat Jan 2014 #124

Aww....BFF... HipChick Jan 2014 #147

So he was a Russian Spy after all? HipChick Jan 2014 #146

I have to agree. This is my favorite thread of the month so far. Number23 Jan 2014 #151

LOL. great white snark Jan 2014 #158

LOL!! Exactly!! Number23 Jan 2014 #176

He did a great service for this country LittleBlue Jan 2014 #82

+10000000 woo me with science Jan 2014 #156

K&R. Note the obligatory propaganda swarm. woo me with science Jan 2014 #155

... Egnever Jan 2014 #157

everyone of those creeps bobduca Jan 2014 #182

"The relentlessness of the propaganda brigade" Sheepshank Jan 2014 #204

Personally, I think anyone slandering Edward Snowden is defending the lawlessness of the NSA. RC Jan 2014 #161

^ Wilms Jan 2014 #198

Absurd to think the US should grant clemency to Snowden, his crime is not one to Thinkingabout Jan 2014 #202