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42. I don't know of many "whistleblowers" that run away to China and Russia

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Wed Jan 22, 2014, 12:30 PM

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The New Yorker: SNOWDEN CALLS RUSSIAN-SPY STORY “ABSURD” [View all] Luminous Animal Jan 2014 OP

The more things change pscot Jan 2014 #1

At DU, this post may not generate the intended response. Vattel Jan 2014 #2

Meh. It's the same 9 people stuck on auto-replay. Most of DU supports Luminous Animal Jan 2014 #8

the same 9 people bobduca Jan 2014 #28

9? You wish. Far more than that on DU Pretzel_Warrior Jan 2014 #167

I don't subscribe to the theory that Snowden was a Russian spy. randome Jan 2014 #3

Same here, I doubt it, but it's entirely plausible. JaneyVee Jan 2014 #5

"Comrade Eddie, we need you to infiltrate the NSA and steal their secrets." Luminous Animal Jan 2014 #10

How about ... 1StrongBlackMan Jan 2014 #165

It is not a reasonable hypothesis that he is a Russian spy, what IS a reasonable hypothesis is that sabrina 1 Jan 2014 #12

It's standard practice to yank an international fugitive's visa. randome Jan 2014 #37

The US hasn't forced Snowden to stay in Russia. His passport, however, struggle4progress Jan 2014 #62

Why did they US wait until he was landing in Russia to make sure he couldn't leave there? sabrina 1 Jan 2014 #118

The distinction between the Legislative branch and the Executive branch must be mastered struggle4progress Jan 2014 #160

K & R Thinkingabout Jan 2014 #152

Your opinion on who is most reasonably be more likely to lie, false Sheepshank Jan 2014 #142

You mean the government has never lied to us? sabrina 1 Jan 2014 #186

did I say that? Sheepshank Jan 2014 #200

He's not charged with spying, so the federal prosecutor will have the fairly easy job msanthrope Jan 2014 #27

+1 n/t 1StrongBlackMan Jan 2014 #85

agree its possible...not going to say its true....but a definite possiblity... VanillaRhapsody Jan 2014 #39

He's an idiot. And he's defensive. nt msanthrope Jan 2014 #4

Actually he is far from 'an idiot' apparently he's quite brilliant according to people who sabrina 1 Jan 2014 #14

Anybody with federal charges against them, talking to the press about what's in msanthrope Jan 2014 #18

Thanks for answering my question. He is absolutely correct to slap down the lies sabrina 1 Jan 2014 #52

Really? Obama is lied about every hour of every day. randome Jan 2014 #54

No..I don't answer your questions. And the Supreme Court tossed charges against msanthrope Jan 2014 #57

forced? He chose it.... VanillaRhapsody Jan 2014 #40

The US Government waited until he landed for a stopover in Russia and then took his passport sabrina 1 Jan 2014 #65

So? Are you saying there aren't people like yourself that would "break the law" VanillaRhapsody Jan 2014 #67

Perhaps you can offer up some viable plans that Luminous Animal Jan 2014 #78

Like I said... VanillaRhapsody Jan 2014 #81

What does that have to do with his imaginary powerful connections Luminous Animal Jan 2014 #86

did I say "powerful" I said others much like yourself that hero worship him... VanillaRhapsody Jan 2014 #90

He's welcome to come live with my family but he would need Luminous Animal Jan 2014 #97

No he wouldn't....do ALL fugitives have "powerful" connections? VanillaRhapsody Jan 2014 #101

Why did Wikileaks want nothing to do with him? (Except for Sarah Harrison.) randome Jan 2014 #99

They sent one of their key persons to assist him. Luminous Animal Jan 2014 #113

Who did nothing for him other than to pose for a photo-op. randome Jan 2014 #137

"... Edward Snowden's passport was annulled before he left Hong Kong for Russia. Snowden's travel struggle4progress Jan 2014 #76

Well, there goes that talking point...nt SidDithers Jan 2014 #91

Though debunked long ago, it will be repeated again and again into the future struggle4progress Jan 2014 #96

And? Clearly, no senior official or airline is willing to ignore it. Luminous Animal Jan 2014 #104

sabrina claimed his passport was not revoked until he was in Russia: I pointed out struggle4progress Jan 2014 #114

Several people, including Sabrina tend to make stuff up on the fly Sheepshank Jan 2014 #145

Nailed that one Bobbie Jo Jan 2014 #199

Post of the freaking thread, right here Number23 Jan 2014 #148

I dunno, seems reasonable to think he might be a spy Skraxx Jan 2014 #6

You need to look up the meaning of "defected". It does not mean what you Luminous Animal Jan 2014 #9

Except since you dont know what the true deal is or whats in his head, you have no support stevenleser Jan 2014 #19

Looks like defection to me! YMMV Skraxx Jan 2014 #59

The US Government FORCED Snowden to stay in Russia. So you might want to rethink sabrina 1 Jan 2014 #15

where is this "forced" you keep bringing up... VanillaRhapsody Jan 2014 #41

It wasn't his plan? Is that you Ed? Skraxx Jan 2014 #60

No, it wasn't his plan at all. Surely you wouldn't be commenting on something you appear to not sabrina 1 Jan 2014 #69

Really? Not his plan at all? Cuz he said so? Skraxx Jan 2014 #92

Uh, we have the record to rely on. You know, documentation, facts, proof. The world knows where sabrina 1 Jan 2014 #109

Sure you do! "The record", yeah, yeah, that's right. LOL! Skraxx Jan 2014 #119

No, I don't collect official records, but officials do. Understand what that means? It means sabrina 1 Jan 2014 #123

See, this is exactly what you do.... Sheepshank Jan 2014 #203

Make sure that you see Post #76 which CLEARLY states that his passport was revoked BEFORE he went Number23 Jan 2014 #150

Uh, so what? Skraxx Jan 2014 #159

??? Number23 Jan 2014 #177

This government is more concerned about killing messengers than fixing problems davidn3600 Jan 2014 #7

I don't know of many "whistleblowers" that run away to China and Russia VanillaRhapsody Jan 2014 #42

I must have missed some stories about the US government offing whistle-blowers struggle4progress Jan 2014 #98

You do know that "killing the messenger" is a figure of speech, right? Luminous Animal Jan 2014 #116

It's hard to know what people might mean, what with Snowden claiming he's in fear struggle4progress Jan 2014 #138

of course that poster knows that. bobduca Jan 2014 #184

Hey Luminous !!! - Did You Cath THIS: LOL !!! WillyT Jan 2014 #11

LOL love it. Puglover Jan 2014 #102

And we should believe an accused felon who fled Progressive dog Jan 2014 #13

Why did the US Government force Snowden to remain in Russia which was merely a couple of hours sabrina 1 Jan 2014 #16

Are you suggesting that the US should not try to apprehend accused felons, Progressive dog Jan 2014 #22

I was waiting for this talking point after I saw Feinstein and her Republican buddy 'wonder' sabrina 1 Jan 2014 #30

He is an accused felon already, Progressive dog Jan 2014 #36

By his account, he had no data to give when he got to Russia. Luminous Animal Jan 2014 #45

Except for the PR meeting, no one saw him in the airport, did they? randome Jan 2014 #51

Sarah Harrison was with him. So, yes their was a witness Luminous Animal Jan 2014 #55

Assange's laundress? Where, exactly does she think she's going to be a witness? nt msanthrope Jan 2014 #73

What a remarkable sexist comment. Luminous Animal Jan 2014 #108

Someone had to wash Julian's socks and keep his diary...which she bragged about.... msanthrope Jan 2014 #125

By his account-that says it all Progressive dog Jan 2014 #88

How do you know that when he flew to Hong Kong Luminous Animal Jan 2014 #94

That is so obvious that I'll let you think about it nt Progressive dog Jan 2014 #100

Ellsberg was an 'ACCUSED' felon. What is your point? sabrina 1 Jan 2014 #74

What part of Russia is Ellsberg living and Progressive dog Jan 2014 #87

Ellsberg fully supports Snowden and goes further, he calls him a hero. sabrina 1 Jan 2014 #106

So Ellsberg did flee or not Progressive dog Jan 2014 #126

Ellsberg is trustworthy, he has not lied to the American people. sabrina 1 Jan 2014 #187

So Ellsberg did flee or not, Progressive dog Jan 2014 #197

He didn't flee to China. He stayed in a very nice hotel in HONG KONG. Luminous Animal Jan 2014 #50

"Hong Kong .. is one of the .. Special Administrative Regions of the People's Republic of China" struggle4progress Jan 2014 #79

Wow! You shore is a smart guy. Luminous Animal Jan 2014 #83

The bottom line is that Hong Kong is part of China, the transfer from the UK to China having struggle4progress Jan 2014 #95

And both of us know that the relationship between the two Luminous Animal Jan 2014 #103

I was once challenged by a drunk in a bar to see which of us could actually pee onto the ceiling struggle4progress Jan 2014 #122

Ahem...a very big event happened in 1997..... msanthrope Jan 2014 #84

No. I am not a teacher. I've told you before Luminous Animal Jan 2014 #89

ok brief ceasefire to ask arely staircase Jan 2014 #173

Nah. But I'm not a teacher, either. I'm a bean counter. Luminous Animal Jan 2014 #178

too bad arely staircase Jan 2014 #180

Too bad for whom? I am an extraordinary bean counter that Luminous Animal Jan 2014 #193

Hong Kong is in China, are you saying it is not? Progressive dog Jan 2014 #140

Force? He ASKED to stay there..... VanillaRhapsody Jan 2014 #43

Because he can't travel without a passport. Luminous Animal Jan 2014 #47

Sure he can...he has LOTS of connections right? YOU would help him wouldn't you? VanillaRhapsody Jan 2014 #49

Yes I would if I could. Luminous Animal Jan 2014 #56

so he is not "stuck" is he? The big "hero" SHOULD be able to go anywhere he wants... VanillaRhapsody Jan 2014 #66

I'll ask again. What connections does he have that are powerful Luminous Animal Jan 2014 #71

You think that never happens? Seriously? VanillaRhapsody Jan 2014 #72

and no one said he had to "go against the U.S. govt" VanillaRhapsody Jan 2014 #75

His connections were able to engineer his travel without passport from Hong Kong to Russia, struggle4progress Jan 2014 #93

I hear Putin picked him up at the airport! flamingdem Jan 2014 #112

He traveled from Hong Kong to Moscow without a valid passport. nt msanthrope Jan 2014 #115

Because Hong Kong permitted him to leave. Luminous Animal Jan 2014 #121

Well...that was rather a stupid risk for him, then? As for Ms. Harrison, who knows if she's msanthrope Jan 2014 #127

Thank you for ejumacating me that the mere act of Luminous Animal Jan 2014 #135

It is she who chose to present herself in this manner. It is not how you or I might msanthrope Jan 2014 #136

The travel issue would not have been whether Hong Kong would let him leave but whether Aeroflot struggle4progress Jan 2014 #134

yes he can arely staircase Jan 2014 #174

Which is exactly what you'd expect a Russian spy to say... SidDithers Jan 2014 #17

Big meanie Obama is forcing Snowden to stay in Russia! Although I bet the US Embassy msanthrope Jan 2014 #21

Yup. Maybe one of the silliest talking points to emerge yet... SidDithers Jan 2014 #23

Look...Snowden would be sipping mojitos in warm, sunny Cuba or hangin' with Glenn msanthrope Jan 2014 #29

It's a balmy 3 degrees F in Moscow right now... SidDithers Jan 2014 #31

I have experienced a Russian winter...and since Eddie cannot drink, msanthrope Jan 2014 #34

Putin doesn't mind the cold flamingdem Jan 2014 #111

ROFLMAO. That is great!!! stevenleser Jan 2014 #172

. flamingdem Jan 2014 #183

agreed...What do they expect for this...ticker tape parade? VanillaRhapsody Jan 2014 #44

It's possible, but I don't think FSB/SVR/GRU operates this way. stevenleser Jan 2014 #24

Yeah. My tongue was firmly in my cheek when making that post... SidDithers Jan 2014 #25

Thanks for proving me right: sabrina 1 Jan 2014 #32

Keep trying, sabrina... SidDithers Jan 2014 #33

It's blue links...we've finally converted her. nt msanthrope Jan 2014 #35

You can count on it Sid! sabrina 1 Jan 2014 #63

It's exactly what you'd expect a couple of politicians on the payroll to say. Tierra_y_Libertad Jan 2014 #38

Or a communist infiltrator like MLK… Luminous Animal Jan 2014 #64

LOL! Snowden is just like MLK!!... SidDithers Jan 2014 #77

Never said it and I don't claim it. But don't let that stop you. Luminous Animal Jan 2014 #80

awe geez the thumbdrive of liberty arely staircase Jan 2014 #132

Oh the memories, the thumbdrive! flamingdem Jan 2014 #185

USGovtOwesUsThreeTrillion. It's all about the money, you know! randome Jan 2014 #188

yeah I got libertarian debt smell off the Name arely staircase Jan 2014 #189

Postage stamps. The U.S. government owes us three trillion postage stamps. randome Jan 2014 #191

I can't believe they're still using the old 'right wing' commie garbage. It means nothing to sabrina 1 Jan 2014 #105

And if he weighs the same as a duck, he's made of wood, and therefore... Electric Monk Jan 2014 #130

Unlikely...and I have to agree, it is absurd. Xolodno Jan 2014 #20

not absurd...but a distinct possibility....I don't necessarily believe it... VanillaRhapsody Jan 2014 #46

So, what's done more harm to America? Snowden's whistle blowing or the NSA? Tierra_y_Libertad Jan 2014 #26

but they aren't are they? VanillaRhapsody Jan 2014 #48

You mean like the weakling draft resistors that fled to Canada? Tierra_y_Libertad Jan 2014 #53

No I mean like weakling wannabe's VanillaRhapsody Jan 2014 #68

The ones who fled and refused to kill people for politicians. Tierra_y_Libertad Jan 2014 #117

He's a wannabe hero.... VanillaRhapsody Jan 2014 #128

Obviously, we have different definitions of what constitutes "weakness" and "courage". Tierra_y_Libertad Jan 2014 #131

"courage of your convictions" VanillaRhapsody Jan 2014 #196

Are you 12 years old? Is your world populated with action figures? DisgustipatedinCA Jan 2014 #195

Well, let's examine just one of the claims made by Rogers: in his recent Meet the Press struggle4progress Jan 2014 #58

Oh, come on. Who doesn't keep a series of 'Go' bags handy? randome Jan 2014 #61

I check the Zombie report every morning flamingdem Jan 2014 #107

It seems pretty sensible if you expect your government to pursue you. Tierra_y_Libertad Jan 2014 #120

It might indeed seem natural under those circumstances: I bet Butch Cassidy kept a go-bag packed! struggle4progress Jan 2014 #129

Which, obviously, means that Snowden is no fool in the face of the regime's attitude towards whistle Tierra_y_Libertad Jan 2014 #133

regime arely staircase Jan 2014 #143

re·gime noun \rā-ˈzhēm, ri- also ri-ˈjēm\ : a form of government : a particular government Tierra_y_Libertad Jan 2014 #144

Marching towards idiocracy in front of our very eyes. Luminous Animal Jan 2014 #149

you got that right nt arely staircase Jan 2014 #154

lol arely staircase Jan 2014 #153

Pursuing whistle blowers is hardley "benign". Tierra_y_Libertad Jan 2014 #163

regime AND fascism arely staircase Jan 2014 #166

Do you not consider pursuing whistleblowers fasicistic? Tierra_y_Libertad Jan 2014 #169

maybe I don't agree with your premises arely staircase Jan 2014 #171

When someone doesn't use the whistleblower statutes, they aren't a whistleblower. msanthrope Jan 2014 #168

Gosh. You mean he wasn't "just following orders" like a good...patriot? Tierra_y_Libertad Jan 2014 #170

See...here's the great thing about whistleblower statutes...if you follow them, you msanthrope Jan 2014 #175

+ a MILLION on Bunny Greenhouse. How very interesting that hardly anyone here ever talks about her Number23 Jan 2014 #179

Well, she's a Black, female soldier who did her duty. She refused to go on the firebagger msanthrope Jan 2014 #181

And the whistleblower center that her lawyer founded and presides as president Luminous Animal Jan 2014 #205

I respect Mr. Kohn, but I think calling Linda Tripp a "whistleblower" stretches credibility. I note msanthrope Jan 2014 #206

and don't forget about those packed go-boxes that he had ready in his garage frylock Jan 2014 #139

That doesn't seem a cogent response in anything in this thread struggle4progress Jan 2014 #141

yeah, no shit? frylock Jan 2014 #162

My #58 discussed a point in a paragraph appearing in the OP and provided multiple links struggle4progress Jan 2014 #164

Notice he thought he was important enough for a packed-go bag" treestar Jan 2014 #190

When you land on a blue square, you get another Go Bag! What fun! randome Jan 2014 #192

... With every move he makes, another chance he takes. struggle4progress Jan 2014 #194

I love that song! randome Jan 2014 #201

Dayum this thread is a fun read Cali_Democrat Jan 2014 #70

Giddy up? flamingdem Jan 2014 #110

Stop it! Cali_Democrat Jan 2014 #124

Aww....BFF... HipChick Jan 2014 #147

So he was a Russian Spy after all? HipChick Jan 2014 #146

I have to agree. This is my favorite thread of the month so far. Number23 Jan 2014 #151

LOL. great white snark Jan 2014 #158

LOL!! Exactly!! Number23 Jan 2014 #176

He did a great service for this country LittleBlue Jan 2014 #82

+10000000 woo me with science Jan 2014 #156

K&R. Note the obligatory propaganda swarm. woo me with science Jan 2014 #155

... Egnever Jan 2014 #157

everyone of those creeps bobduca Jan 2014 #182

"The relentlessness of the propaganda brigade" Sheepshank Jan 2014 #204

Personally, I think anyone slandering Edward Snowden is defending the lawlessness of the NSA. RC Jan 2014 #161

^ Wilms Jan 2014 #198

Absurd to think the US should grant clemency to Snowden, his crime is not one to Thinkingabout Jan 2014 #202