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Are_grits_groceries

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10. Do you have a remote clue who Vitali Klitschko is and what his positions are?
Thu Jan 23, 2014, 07:27 AM
Jan 2014

If you did, you would not make some of your statements.

Klitschko is in favor of the Association Agreement between Ukraine and the European Union.[74][75] He sees the European Union as Ukraine's "model for our future political and economic development."[76] He believes current President Viktor Yanukovych and his Government are "deliberately destroying the integration (into Europe) prospects of Ukraine"[77] and that Ukrainian politicians have no right to let them "rule after 2015".[74] Klitschko is also in favour of NATO-Ukraine cooperation.[78]

Klitschko's main concern is social standards and the economy of Ukraine.[79] He believes "the issue of language is not the top priority".[79] Klitschko wants less corruption and more transparency in Ukrainian politics.[76][80] He also advocates lower taxes to stimulate the economy of Ukraine.[76][79] Klitschko did accuse in October 2011 President Yanukovych and the Azarov Government of "doing everything to manipulate the rules to stay in power longer";[80] furthermore (in December 2011) he assert(ed) "every statement of the government" as "a continuation of lies and disinformation."[77] He has also taken part in rallies for former Prime Minister Yulia Tymoshenko release.[74][81][nb 3]

In December 2011 Klitschko described the judicial system of Ukraine as "complete degradation" and accused it of violating human rights and humiliating its prisoners.[83] According to him Ukraine lacks independent and unbiased judges because "The Ukrainian judiciary is currently a closed clan; lifelong judges and appointments through administrative leverage".[79] He wants to ensure the independence of judges by switching from a system of appointed judges to a system of elected judges.[79]

In July 2012 party-leader Klitschko stated his party UDAR will not cooperate with the Party of Regions in the Ukrainian Parliament.[84]In early April 2013 Klitschko called for early presidential and parliamentary elections in Ukraine.[85]
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vitali_Klitschko
Sources for all these positions are at the site linked.

This is not about shades of right wing protesters. There are people there with a positive agenda. You continue to oversimplify the situation.

In addition, I have long believed that the US and others have an aggressive knee-jerk reaction to countries labelled as communistic. If we had really looked at these governments and tried to work with them so that the Soviet Union was not their sole source of vital help, we probably would have made more progress.

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DU's New Cold Warriors [View all] Ken Burch Jan 2014 OP
I confess I don't remember pre-1989 (I was 1) but I'm pretty sure the Cold War Nuclear Unicorn Jan 2014 #1
Hyperbole much? Are_grits_groceries Jan 2014 #2
The only change that came DURING the Cold War era came against the will of the "anticommunists". Ken Burch Jan 2014 #3
If the concern is ppl clinging to anachronistic patterns in spite of current political realities Nuclear Unicorn Jan 2014 #9
Do you have a remote clue who Vitali Klitschko is and what his positions are? Are_grits_groceries Jan 2014 #10
Klitschko is center-right, based on that. Ken Burch Jan 2014 #11
I don't think anyone, anywhere (the West or Russia) should push Ukraine or Ukrainians. pampango Jan 2014 #4
Major difference there, though...Mexico never invaded the U.S. Ken Burch Jan 2014 #6
I don't think Putin feels threatened by an EU army. If all he wants from the EU is a pampango Jan 2014 #7
France essentially CAUSED its second invasion by Germany. Ken Burch Jan 2014 #18
You're giving Hitler a bit of a pass there. He was not forced to invade France in 1940. pampango Jan 2014 #20
My point was that the treaty had essentially put Hitler in power. Ken Burch Jan 2014 #21
1939 was 75 years ago. geek tragedy Jan 2014 #19
Only a person whose country has never been invaded by another country Ken Burch Jan 2014 #23
i hope to goodness we're over 911 by then. NYC is pretty much over it already nt geek tragedy Jan 2014 #25
Are you sure about that? JVS Jan 2014 #5
I would amend that slightly Fumesucker Jan 2014 #12
Fair enough. n/t. Ken Burch Jan 2014 #14
I wonder how much the naval base pisses them off, it played a role in the last Syria showdown jakeXT Jan 2014 #8
Some of us think the threat of Communism was the only thing keeping the capitalists in check Fumesucker Jan 2014 #13
that explains a LOT snooper2 Jan 2014 #16
So let's feed Ukraine to Putin and hope that keeps him happy? Adrahil Jan 2014 #15
what kind of authoritarian bunk is calling them 'so-called protestors'? geek tragedy Jan 2014 #17
I deleted that phrase. You're right to have responded as you did. Ken Burch Jan 2014 #24
How is this not a call-out? 1000words Jan 2014 #22
I support the Ukrainians who are for closer ties to the EU MNBrewer Jan 2014 #26
Doing that is pretty much just switching from one empire to another empire. Ken Burch Jan 2014 #27
If they want to link up with someone, they should choose the EU but it is their choice. pampango Jan 2014 #28
Wasn't saying they should choose Russia...they should choose neutrality. Ken Burch Jan 2014 #29
They're no talking about joining NATO, ya know... Adrahil Jan 2014 #34
Vitaly Klitschko wants NATO membership Ken Burch Jan 2014 #36
Why not? Adrahil Jan 2014 #37
Would Russia have become "a threat" if the "winners" of the Cold War, like the "winners" in 1918 Ken Burch Jan 2014 #39
Man... Adrahil Jan 2014 #40
Yes. Why the hell should we care about civil rights in other countries? Agnosticsherbet Jan 2014 #30
I wasn't saying give them a pass. Ken Burch Jan 2014 #31
We engaged in the Cold War because the US and the old Soviet Union emerged Agnosticsherbet Jan 2014 #32
but do it without causing World War III Ken Burch Jan 2014 #33
Calling Russia on their failures in civil rights will not get us into a war. Agnosticsherbet Jan 2014 #35
You've just made the case for dissolving NATO...doing so would only help. Ken Burch Jan 2014 #38
People, don't be fooled there is a underlying message here. William769 Jan 2014 #41
Huh? Pretzel_Warrior Jan 2014 #42
Right because Russia is embracing human rights and Europe grantcart Jan 2014 #43
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