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In reply to the discussion: DU's New Cold Warriors [View all]Are_grits_groceries
(17,139 posts)10. Do you have a remote clue who Vitali Klitschko is and what his positions are?
If you did, you would not make some of your statements.
Klitschko is in favor of the Association Agreement between Ukraine and the European Union.[74][75] He sees the European Union as Ukraine's "model for our future political and economic development."[76] He believes current President Viktor Yanukovych and his Government are "deliberately destroying the integration (into Europe) prospects of Ukraine"[77] and that Ukrainian politicians have no right to let them "rule after 2015".[74] Klitschko is also in favour of NATO-Ukraine cooperation.[78]
Klitschko's main concern is social standards and the economy of Ukraine.[79] He believes "the issue of language is not the top priority".[79] Klitschko wants less corruption and more transparency in Ukrainian politics.[76][80] He also advocates lower taxes to stimulate the economy of Ukraine.[76][79] Klitschko did accuse in October 2011 President Yanukovych and the Azarov Government of "doing everything to manipulate the rules to stay in power longer";[80] furthermore (in December 2011) he assert(ed) "every statement of the government" as "a continuation of lies and disinformation."[77] He has also taken part in rallies for former Prime Minister Yulia Tymoshenko release.[74][81][nb 3]
In December 2011 Klitschko described the judicial system of Ukraine as "complete degradation" and accused it of violating human rights and humiliating its prisoners.[83] According to him Ukraine lacks independent and unbiased judges because "The Ukrainian judiciary is currently a closed clan; lifelong judges and appointments through administrative leverage".[79] He wants to ensure the independence of judges by switching from a system of appointed judges to a system of elected judges.[79]
In July 2012 party-leader Klitschko stated his party UDAR will not cooperate with the Party of Regions in the Ukrainian Parliament.[84]In early April 2013 Klitschko called for early presidential and parliamentary elections in Ukraine.[85]
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vitali_Klitschko
Sources for all these positions are at the site linked.
Klitschko's main concern is social standards and the economy of Ukraine.[79] He believes "the issue of language is not the top priority".[79] Klitschko wants less corruption and more transparency in Ukrainian politics.[76][80] He also advocates lower taxes to stimulate the economy of Ukraine.[76][79] Klitschko did accuse in October 2011 President Yanukovych and the Azarov Government of "doing everything to manipulate the rules to stay in power longer";[80] furthermore (in December 2011) he assert(ed) "every statement of the government" as "a continuation of lies and disinformation."[77] He has also taken part in rallies for former Prime Minister Yulia Tymoshenko release.[74][81][nb 3]
In December 2011 Klitschko described the judicial system of Ukraine as "complete degradation" and accused it of violating human rights and humiliating its prisoners.[83] According to him Ukraine lacks independent and unbiased judges because "The Ukrainian judiciary is currently a closed clan; lifelong judges and appointments through administrative leverage".[79] He wants to ensure the independence of judges by switching from a system of appointed judges to a system of elected judges.[79]
In July 2012 party-leader Klitschko stated his party UDAR will not cooperate with the Party of Regions in the Ukrainian Parliament.[84]In early April 2013 Klitschko called for early presidential and parliamentary elections in Ukraine.[85]
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vitali_Klitschko
This is not about shades of right wing protesters. There are people there with a positive agenda. You continue to oversimplify the situation.
In addition, I have long believed that the US and others have an aggressive knee-jerk reaction to countries labelled as communistic. If we had really looked at these governments and tried to work with them so that the Soviet Union was not their sole source of vital help, we probably would have made more progress.
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I confess I don't remember pre-1989 (I was 1) but I'm pretty sure the Cold War
Nuclear Unicorn
Jan 2014
#1
The only change that came DURING the Cold War era came against the will of the "anticommunists".
Ken Burch
Jan 2014
#3
If the concern is ppl clinging to anachronistic patterns in spite of current political realities
Nuclear Unicorn
Jan 2014
#9
Do you have a remote clue who Vitali Klitschko is and what his positions are?
Are_grits_groceries
Jan 2014
#10
I don't think anyone, anywhere (the West or Russia) should push Ukraine or Ukrainians.
pampango
Jan 2014
#4
I don't think Putin feels threatened by an EU army. If all he wants from the EU is a
pampango
Jan 2014
#7
You're giving Hitler a bit of a pass there. He was not forced to invade France in 1940.
pampango
Jan 2014
#20
i hope to goodness we're over 911 by then. NYC is pretty much over it already nt
geek tragedy
Jan 2014
#25
I wonder how much the naval base pisses them off, it played a role in the last Syria showdown
jakeXT
Jan 2014
#8
Some of us think the threat of Communism was the only thing keeping the capitalists in check
Fumesucker
Jan 2014
#13
If they want to link up with someone, they should choose the EU but it is their choice.
pampango
Jan 2014
#28
Would Russia have become "a threat" if the "winners" of the Cold War, like the "winners" in 1918
Ken Burch
Jan 2014
#39
Yes. Why the hell should we care about civil rights in other countries?
Agnosticsherbet
Jan 2014
#30
We engaged in the Cold War because the US and the old Soviet Union emerged
Agnosticsherbet
Jan 2014
#32
Calling Russia on their failures in civil rights will not get us into a war.
Agnosticsherbet
Jan 2014
#35