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NM_Birder

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97. why not 25 ?

Thu Jan 23, 2014, 01:40 PM

Jan 2014

25 bucks an hour here in NM makes you middle class, 25 bucks in NY would be barely survivable on your own.

that is my problem with people arbitrarily throwing minimum dollar amounts around. The Minimum wage in Santa Fe is 10 something an hour, 12 bucks an hour is relative to at least two roommates to have a home and some semblance of a life.

Why do you think 12 is the magic number ?

Doesn't it make more sense to do things like make tax structures for manufacturing MORE advantageous to open factories here in the US than to GIVE tax incentives to foreign companies ? Creating a more lucrative business atmosphere will bring back the manufacturing opportunities we no longer enjoy, and thus increase the potiential and opportunity for better paying jobs.

12 dollars an hour is still not enough to enjoy even the minimum opportunities available. It never will be, waving 12 bucks an hour to people that make 9 bucks an hour will give them a fuzzy feeling, but the reality is that they will still simply "exist" 4 dollars an hour underwater instead of 7. Meanwhile the opportunities for GOOD paying jobs will continue to go to American controlled companies, paying foreign labor forces to ship crap back to the States cheaper than if we produced it here.

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What is the Democratic Party solution to economic inequality? [View all] kentuck Jan 2014 OP

A few speeches about it? Autumn Jan 2014 #1

^^this^^ Puzzledtraveller Jan 2014 #56

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why not 25 ? NM_Birder Jan 2014 #97

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The United States of America. n/t PowerToThePeople Jan 2014 #113

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exactly arely staircase Jan 2014 #48

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Change FLSA laws. lumberjack_jeff Jan 2014 #66

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A sternly worded internet petition... Alkene Jan 2014 #135

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Triple the minimum wage & tax corporations TBF Jan 2014 #165