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DirkGently

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3. And more from the NYT:
Thu Jan 23, 2014, 01:55 PM
Jan 2014

The report also sheds light on the history of the once-secret bulk collection program. It contains the first official acknowledgment that the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Court produced no judicial opinion detailing its legal rationale for the program until last August, even though it had been issuing orders to phone companies for the records and to the N.S.A. for how it could handle them since May 2006.


http://www.nytimes.com/2014/01/23/us/politics/watchdog-report-says-nsa-program-is-illegal-and-should-end.html?_r=0


The Obama administration has portrayed the bulk collection program as useful and lawful while at the same time acknowledging concerns about privacy and potential abuse. But in its report, the board lays out what may be the most detailed critique of the government’s once-secret legal theory behind the program: that a law known as Section 215 of the Patriot Act, which allows the F.B.I. to obtain business records deemed “relevant” to an investigation, can be legitimately interpreted as authorizing the N.S.A. to collect all calling records in the country.


So, to recap: NSA massive phone date collection is not legal, and in fact no legal basis for it has even ever been articulated, it is specifically not Constitutional, and is NOT protecting us from terrorism.

That's according to a board within the Executive branch of the United States Government.

And President Obama would like to keep it, perhaps with some tweaks.

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k and r nashville_brook Jan 2014 #1
And more from the NYT: DirkGently Jan 2014 #3
After listening to his speech the other night, bvar22 Jan 2014 #8
It's a huge business already. I'm sure there's a DirkGently Jan 2014 #10
Thatchernomics is not a good thing MisterP Jan 2014 #16
Obama says it's useful, but the report says it hasn't provided anything concrete mindwalker_i Jan 2014 #9
The Intelligence community assumes all data is "useful." DirkGently Jan 2014 #11
Exactly, and the key point can be summarized thusly: mindwalker_i Jan 2014 #17
link to the ACLU statement --> nashville_brook Jan 2014 #2
Right. The ACLU and the EFF were RIGHT. NSA was wrong. DirkGently Jan 2014 #4
here's the full text of the oversight board report --> nashville_brook Jan 2014 #5
Thanks! DirkGently Jan 2014 #12
K & R !!! WillyT Jan 2014 #6
here's the EFF statement --> nashville_brook Jan 2014 #7
So Snowden DID blow the whistle on illegal activity. Luminous Animal Jan 2014 #13
THAT is a good point. DirkGently Jan 2014 #15
+1000 G_j Jan 2014 #19
eggsactly. nashville_brook Jan 2014 #25
The program is too dangerous LittleBlue Jan 2014 #14
That's what Bernie Sanders said about it also and he also said 'it has to stop' sabrina 1 Jan 2014 #18
The industry will make it hard to roll this stuff back. DirkGently Jan 2014 #22
I agree. In the end it is all about money and we have no significant number of elected officials sabrina 1 Jan 2014 #23
At least the conversation has begun. DirkGently Jan 2014 #24
Hmmm. Where are the "but it's only metadata" apologists? Luminous Animal Jan 2014 #20
K&R Solly Mack Jan 2014 #21
K&R woo me with science Jan 2014 #26
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