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DirkGently

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11. The Intelligence community assumes all data is "useful."
Thu Jan 23, 2014, 03:09 PM
Jan 2014

That's the business they're in. If NSA, FBI, and CIA could achieve the ability pull up every piece of information on anyone, anywhere, anytime, they would do so, because that's the culture of what they do. "Total informational awareness" was never scrapped. Put people in a job where we ask them to gather information in secret, and they will try to get all of it.

But we know we need limits. We know secrecy and spying aren't just things that can be abused, but that they are abused, badly and frequently.

As you say, it's clear supposed "foreign surveillance" is being backdoored for domestic criminal cases already. It's no big leap from there to leaning on, threatening, or destroying people for political or business purposes.

Add to that the fact we've already let in private corporations, and the clear and recent examples of business looking for ways to use spying to crush critiques or competitors (HBGary, anyone?) and we've got a new era of global digital surveillance that needs new rules and new controls.

Handing it all over to private business would be gas on the fire.

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k and r nashville_brook Jan 2014 #1
And more from the NYT: DirkGently Jan 2014 #3
After listening to his speech the other night, bvar22 Jan 2014 #8
It's a huge business already. I'm sure there's a DirkGently Jan 2014 #10
Thatchernomics is not a good thing MisterP Jan 2014 #16
Obama says it's useful, but the report says it hasn't provided anything concrete mindwalker_i Jan 2014 #9
The Intelligence community assumes all data is "useful." DirkGently Jan 2014 #11
Exactly, and the key point can be summarized thusly: mindwalker_i Jan 2014 #17
link to the ACLU statement --> nashville_brook Jan 2014 #2
Right. The ACLU and the EFF were RIGHT. NSA was wrong. DirkGently Jan 2014 #4
here's the full text of the oversight board report --> nashville_brook Jan 2014 #5
Thanks! DirkGently Jan 2014 #12
K & R !!! WillyT Jan 2014 #6
here's the EFF statement --> nashville_brook Jan 2014 #7
So Snowden DID blow the whistle on illegal activity. Luminous Animal Jan 2014 #13
THAT is a good point. DirkGently Jan 2014 #15
+1000 G_j Jan 2014 #19
eggsactly. nashville_brook Jan 2014 #25
The program is too dangerous LittleBlue Jan 2014 #14
That's what Bernie Sanders said about it also and he also said 'it has to stop' sabrina 1 Jan 2014 #18
The industry will make it hard to roll this stuff back. DirkGently Jan 2014 #22
I agree. In the end it is all about money and we have no significant number of elected officials sabrina 1 Jan 2014 #23
At least the conversation has begun. DirkGently Jan 2014 #24
Hmmm. Where are the "but it's only metadata" apologists? Luminous Animal Jan 2014 #20
K&R Solly Mack Jan 2014 #21
K&R woo me with science Jan 2014 #26
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