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In reply to the discussion: Seven in Fourteen [View all]X_Digger
(18,585 posts)28. No, the bill of rights "grants" no rights. *sigh*
It protects pre-existing rights.
If you repealed the second amendment, the right to keep and bear arms would go from being one explicitly protected at a federal level to a right protected explicitly at the state level, and implicitly by the ninth amendment.
That is one of the core tenets of the enlightenment- that governments are instituted among men to protect rights. (Sound familiar?)
From US v Cruikshank:
"It has always been widely understood that the Second Amendment, like the First and Fourth Amendments, codified a pre-existing right. The very text of the Second Amendment implicitly recognizes the pre-existence of the right and declares only that it shall not be infringed. As we said in United States v. Cruikshank, 92 U. S. 542, 553 (1876), this is not a right granted by the Constitution. Neither is it in any manner dependent upon that instrument for its existence.
Read the preamble to the Bill of Rights:
THE Conventions of a number of the States having at the time of their adopting the Constitution, expressed a desire, in order to prevent misconstruction or abuse of its powers, that further declaratory and restrictive clauses should be added: And as extending the ground of public confidence in the Government, will best insure the beneficent ends of its institution
Restrictive clauses against whom? Abuse of whose powers?
The bill of rights is a 'the government shall not' document, not a 'the people can' document.
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"Now? It barely makes a ripple." DU will now lock shooting threads in LBN as local news.
Thor_MN
Jan 2014
#89
After the Newtown, CT slaughter I am convinced that the NRA and its supporters believe that
AlinPA
Jan 2014
#17
Get 3/4 of Congress and 38 states to agree with you and you're good to go.
friendly_iconoclast
Jan 2014
#18
"...a proxy for sadistic death mongers" More Billy Sunday-style culture war from you lot
friendly_iconoclast
Jan 2014
#86
Umm, think on what you just said, in the context of the discussion we're having.
X_Digger
Jan 2014
#40
*sigh* The second amendment (the whole bill of rights, acutally) grants *NOTHING*.
X_Digger
Jan 2014
#59
You're missing the primary concept. No rights are granted. Rights are protected by the BoR.
X_Digger
Jan 2014
#65
The primary concept is not whether the bill of rights 'grants' or 'protects' our rights...
Blanks
Jan 2014
#88
Does the fact that the first protects an individual right keep restrictions on speech..
X_Digger
Jan 2014
#92
Point was that the first (or second) being an individual right has no bearing..
X_Digger
Jan 2014
#96
The "my Mac 10 will protect me from government tyranny" canard is now laughed at
Doctor_J
Jan 2014
#101
Things aren't as bad as they could be and can still be changed peacefully
friendly_iconoclast
Jan 2014
#102
MLK probably thought that there would not be a black president in his lifetime.
Nye Bevan
Jan 2014
#39
The poster you are replying too simply seems to be saying that we should repeal the 2nd Amendment.
Nye Bevan
Jan 2014
#24
So (and I am not trying to be snarky here) if the Second Amendment was repealed,
Nye Bevan
Jan 2014
#31
The right to keep and bear arms, yes. You filled in the rest of that straw on your own.
X_Digger
Jan 2014
#46
As long as you don't argue all rights flow from the government, we won't have a problem.
X_Digger
Jan 2014
#50
Most of Europe does not consider the right to bear arms a pre-existing right
Bjorn Against
Jan 2014
#57
And screw the fact that we have the highest prison population in the world, that is not freedom
Bjorn Against
Jan 2014
#66
So if our culture is homicidally violent as you claim then how do you explain the drop in crime?
Bjorn Against
Jan 2014
#68
Our culture is homicidally violent, but less so now than 20 years ago. See how simple that was?
X_Digger
Jan 2014
#69
Demonstrates that even with no gun control in either city, there was quite a difference in homicide.
X_Digger
Jan 2014
#71
Correlation (smoking and inmates) does not imply causation (smoking causes crime).
X_Digger
Jan 2014
#73
So if we had 1 day of school and had a shooting we'd have 100% school shootings.
Auntie Bush
Jan 2014
#48
It's not going to change til the 2nd goes, and that's not going to happen.
Donald Ian Rankin
Jan 2014
#104