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Tafiti

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75. Not to nitpick, but...

Thu Jan 23, 2014, 09:49 PM

Jan 2014

I don't really understand why ThinkProgress would count the Wakefield and Albany incidents to make this point. Based on what I read, these are shootings that just happened to take place NEAR a school. I'm sorry, but when as a writer you use the phrase "school shooting," you are intentionally making the reader conjure a very specific image or situation, i.e., an incident akin to Columbine. They're needlessly detracting from their message by exaggerating the truth. I would even say it's a stretch to include the Delaware Valley incident, as that appears to be a bona fide accident from someone who brought a gun into the school. Granted, it shouldn't have been there in the first place, but again, that's a different scenario than a deranged shooter intentionally targeting students and teachers in a "school shooting."

Isn't 4 or 5 in the first 2 weeks of the year bad enough and STILL worth making the point? Yes! Disappointing that they had to go a bit "tabloid-y" here.

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Sad, isn't it? R&K nt longship Jan 2014 #2

EZ solution: Arm all teachers ErikJ Jan 2014 #83

Wow! that certainly puts it in perspective. Arkansas Granny Jan 2014 #3

K&R redqueen Jan 2014 #4

Now this is a WP post worth reccing. n/t Dawgs Jan 2014 #5

Almost daily, so sick of it. Grocery stores and other 'safe' locations too. joanbarnes Jan 2014 #6

I'm not sure I'd use "At risk" JoeyT Jan 2014 #7

"Now? It barely makes a ripple." DU will now lock shooting threads in LBN as local news. Thor_MN Jan 2014 #89

What I'm afraid of is that it *will* become the accepted norm. Kablooie Jan 2014 #8

It would seem to some that these incidents *are* an acceptable price lapislzi Jan 2014 #11

After the Newtown, CT slaughter I am convinced that the NRA and its supporters believe that AlinPA Jan 2014 #17

So damn asinine. tavalon Jan 2014 #9

It already is the new normal abelenkpe Jan 2014 #10

Shouldn't it be 8? Wasn't there a shooting at U of Oklahoma yesterday? AAO Jan 2014 #12

False alarm WilliamPitt Jan 2014 #13

LOL! AAO Jan 2014 #16

All those gun free zones. ileus Jan 2014 #14

It's almost as if word magic doesn't actually work... friendly_iconoclast Jan 2014 #19

Rescind the second amendment, now!! n/t PowerToThePeople Jan 2014 #15

Get 3/4 of Congress and 38 states to agree with you and you're good to go. friendly_iconoclast Jan 2014 #18

Certainly not an insurmountable task. PowerToThePeople Jan 2014 #20

I'll break this to you as gently as possible: friendly_iconoclast Jan 2014 #25

simple, uncorrupted representation would also work tiny elvis Jan 2014 #76

"...a proxy for sadistic death mongers" More Billy Sunday-style culture war from you lot friendly_iconoclast Jan 2014 #86

Well then get off your ass, put down the donuts and DO IT. n/t oneshooter Jan 2014 #87

Isn't it 2/3 of Congress? (nt) Nye Bevan Jan 2014 #32

You are correct- and then 3/4 of the states friendly_iconoclast Jan 2014 #35

Trying that again, so soon? X_Digger Jan 2014 #21

I left out of boredom. PowerToThePeople Jan 2014 #22

Funny.. you replied, but that's not actually an answer. Imagine that. n/t X_Digger Jan 2014 #23

I answered. PowerToThePeople Jan 2014 #27

Not really, no.. you dodged. If the right wasn't an individual right.. X_Digger Jan 2014 #30

No one is perfect PowerToThePeople Jan 2014 #34

Umm, think on what you just said, in the context of the discussion we're having. X_Digger Jan 2014 #40

I will have to get back to you. PowerToThePeople Jan 2014 #41

Even the right of the citizens to defend themselves... Blanks Jan 2014 #56

*sigh* The second amendment (the whole bill of rights, acutally) grants *NOTHING*. X_Digger Jan 2014 #59

I'd just as soon not... Blanks Jan 2014 #62

You're missing the primary concept. No rights are granted. Rights are protected by the BoR. X_Digger Jan 2014 #65

The primary concept is not whether the bill of rights 'grants' or 'protects' our rights... Blanks Jan 2014 #88

Does the fact that the first protects an individual right keep restrictions on speech.. X_Digger Jan 2014 #92

True, it is illegal to yell "fire" in a movie theater... Blanks Jan 2014 #95

Point was that the first (or second) being an individual right has no bearing.. X_Digger Jan 2014 #96

So there isn't any problem with restricting the right to keep and bear arms... Blanks Jan 2014 #97

Yes, your silly claim was thoroughly trounced. X_Digger Jan 2014 #98

You have a nice day now. Blanks Jan 2014 #99

At least you gave me a chuckle. Thanks! n/t X_Digger Jan 2014 #100

You seem to have missed a few court cases. clffrdjk Jan 2014 #94

I can't believe you complained that you had to repeat everything CreekDog Jan 2014 #103

In the same thread, no less? That's just silly. X_Digger Jan 2014 #105

More likely, you realized the futility of your dream... friendly_iconoclast Jan 2014 #26

As did abolitionists in the early 19th century. LanternWaste Jan 2014 #33

Sorry, I'm uncomfortable with the state having a monopoly on force friendly_iconoclast Jan 2014 #36

The "my Mac 10 will protect me from government tyranny" canard is now laughed at Doctor_J Jan 2014 #101

Things aren't as bad as they could be and can still be changed peacefully friendly_iconoclast Jan 2014 #102

MLK probably thought that there would not be a black president in his lifetime. Nye Bevan Jan 2014 #39

The poster you are replying too simply seems to be saying that we should repeal the 2nd Amendment. Nye Bevan Jan 2014 #24

No, the bill of rights "grants" no rights. *sigh* X_Digger Jan 2014 #28

So (and I am not trying to be snarky here) if the Second Amendment was repealed, Nye Bevan Jan 2014 #31

Depending on severity, there'd be a ninth amendment federal suit brought. X_Digger Jan 2014 #37

So maybe what is needed (from my point of view, not yours), Nye Bevan Jan 2014 #38

It's not the federal government's right to grant. X_Digger Jan 2014 #42

Many western democracies have strict gun control laws Bjorn Against Jan 2014 #43

That's a lovely straw man. Did you stuff it yourself? X_Digger Jan 2014 #44

In post 28 you called it a "pre-existing right" Bjorn Against Jan 2014 #45

The right to keep and bear arms, yes. You filled in the rest of that straw on your own. X_Digger Jan 2014 #46

I have taken civics Bjorn Against Jan 2014 #47

As long as you don't argue all rights flow from the government, we won't have a problem. X_Digger Jan 2014 #50

I don't think human rights come from the government Bjorn Against Jan 2014 #51

The second amendment is a protection of a pre-existing right. X_Digger Jan 2014 #54

Most of Europe does not consider the right to bear arms a pre-existing right Bjorn Against Jan 2014 #57

Did we petition to join the EU and I missed the memo? X_Digger Jan 2014 #58

We don't need to join the EU to learn from them Bjorn Against Jan 2014 #61

Feel free to support whatever you like. X_Digger Jan 2014 #63

And screw the fact that we have the highest prison population in the world, that is not freedom Bjorn Against Jan 2014 #66

Might as well wish the moon were made of cheese. X_Digger Jan 2014 #67

So if our culture is homicidally violent as you claim then how do you explain the drop in crime? Bjorn Against Jan 2014 #68

Our culture is homicidally violent, but less so now than 20 years ago. See how simple that was? X_Digger Jan 2014 #69

So how is your comparision to the 1880's relevant? Bjorn Against Jan 2014 #70

Demonstrates that even with no gun control in either city, there was quite a difference in homicide. X_Digger Jan 2014 #71

There is a correlation between the murder and the murder weapon Bjorn Against Jan 2014 #72

Correlation (smoking and inmates) does not imply causation (smoking causes crime). X_Digger Jan 2014 #73

But no one said smoking causes crime, that is a huge strawman Bjorn Against Jan 2014 #74

That's what we call, an "analogy". *sigh* X_Digger Jan 2014 #77

No need, I already explained why it is a bad analogy. Good night. Bjorn Against Jan 2014 #78

It went right over your head, apparently. X_Digger Jan 2014 #79

I can only repeat what I said to them: friendly_iconoclast Jan 2014 #29

Yep. Should have happened long ago. tblue Jan 2014 #53

No support for that at all! Be realistic! n-t Logical Jan 2014 #60

So if we had 1 day of school and had a shooting we'd have 100% school shootings. Auntie Bush Jan 2014 #48

and every mass shooting is really several isolated incidents tiny elvis Jan 2014 #80

Well, blkmusclmachine Jan 2014 #49

.... spanone Jan 2014 #52

Never! nxylas Jan 2014 #91

8 in 16 n2doc Jan 2014 #55

If so many kids are willing to murder their own classmates... Shandris Jan 2014 #64

if you knew the cause and no remedy was feasible, what would you do? tiny elvis Jan 2014 #81

That's a bridge to cross when you get to it. Shandris Jan 2014 #85

Not to nitpick, but... Tafiti Jan 2014 #75

Well, hell, why not exclude the shootings that don't occur IN a classroom? Thor_MN Jan 2014 #90

Hilarity often ensues when the gun culture joins a post-massacre discussion Doctor_J Jan 2014 #93

I know this is old, but... Tafiti Jan 2014 #107

k&r Liberal_in_LA Jan 2014 #82

The US has sunk to 3rd world status on so many fronts at this point Doctor_J Jan 2014 #84

It's not going to change til the 2nd goes, and that's not going to happen. Donald Ian Rankin Jan 2014 #104

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