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In reply to the discussion: Seven in Fourteen [View all]friendly_iconoclast
(15,333 posts)86. "...a proxy for sadistic death mongers" More Billy Sunday-style culture war from you lot
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"Have you no interest in manhood?"
"We have no interest in that; just take your disciples and leave, for you are hurting our business."That is the attitude of the liquor traffic toward the Church, and State, and Government, and the preacher that has the backbone to fight the most damnable, corrupt institution that ever wriggled out of hell and fastened itself on the public.
I am a temperance Republican down to my toes. Who is the man that fights the whisky business in the South? It is the Democrats! They have driven the business from Kansas, they have driven it from Georgia, and Maine and Mississippi and North Carolina and North Dakota and Oklahoma and Tennessee and West Virginia. And they have driven it out of 1,756 counties. And it is the rock-ribbed Democratic South that is fighting the saloon. They started this fight that is sweeping like fire over the "United States. You might as well try and dam Niagara Falls with toothpicks as to stop the reform wave sweeping our land. The Democratic party of Florida has put a temperance plank in its platform and the Republican party of every state would nail that plank in their platform if they thought it would carry the election. It is simply a matter of decency and manhood, irrespective of politics. It is prosperity against poverty, sobriety against drunkenness, honesty against thieving, heaven against hell. Don't you want to see men sober? Brutal, staggering men transformed into respectable citizens? "No," said a saloonkeeper, "to hell with men. We are interested in our business, we have no interest in humanity."
After all is said that can be said upon the liquor traffic, its influence is degrading upon the individual, the family, politics and business, and upon everything that you touch in this old world. For the time has long gone by when there is any ground for arguments as to its ill effects. All are agreed on that point. There is just one prime reason why the saloon has not been knocked into hell, and that is the false statement that "the saloons are needed to help lighten the taxes." The saloon business has never paid, and it has cost fifty times more than the revenue derived from it.
"We have no interest in that; just take your disciples and leave, for you are hurting our business."That is the attitude of the liquor traffic toward the Church, and State, and Government, and the preacher that has the backbone to fight the most damnable, corrupt institution that ever wriggled out of hell and fastened itself on the public.
I am a temperance Republican down to my toes. Who is the man that fights the whisky business in the South? It is the Democrats! They have driven the business from Kansas, they have driven it from Georgia, and Maine and Mississippi and North Carolina and North Dakota and Oklahoma and Tennessee and West Virginia. And they have driven it out of 1,756 counties. And it is the rock-ribbed Democratic South that is fighting the saloon. They started this fight that is sweeping like fire over the "United States. You might as well try and dam Niagara Falls with toothpicks as to stop the reform wave sweeping our land. The Democratic party of Florida has put a temperance plank in its platform and the Republican party of every state would nail that plank in their platform if they thought it would carry the election. It is simply a matter of decency and manhood, irrespective of politics. It is prosperity against poverty, sobriety against drunkenness, honesty against thieving, heaven against hell. Don't you want to see men sober? Brutal, staggering men transformed into respectable citizens? "No," said a saloonkeeper, "to hell with men. We are interested in our business, we have no interest in humanity."
After all is said that can be said upon the liquor traffic, its influence is degrading upon the individual, the family, politics and business, and upon everything that you touch in this old world. For the time has long gone by when there is any ground for arguments as to its ill effects. All are agreed on that point. There is just one prime reason why the saloon has not been knocked into hell, and that is the false statement that "the saloons are needed to help lighten the taxes." The saloon business has never paid, and it has cost fifty times more than the revenue derived from it.
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"Now? It barely makes a ripple." DU will now lock shooting threads in LBN as local news.
Thor_MN
Jan 2014
#89
After the Newtown, CT slaughter I am convinced that the NRA and its supporters believe that
AlinPA
Jan 2014
#17
Get 3/4 of Congress and 38 states to agree with you and you're good to go.
friendly_iconoclast
Jan 2014
#18
"...a proxy for sadistic death mongers" More Billy Sunday-style culture war from you lot
friendly_iconoclast
Jan 2014
#86
Umm, think on what you just said, in the context of the discussion we're having.
X_Digger
Jan 2014
#40
*sigh* The second amendment (the whole bill of rights, acutally) grants *NOTHING*.
X_Digger
Jan 2014
#59
You're missing the primary concept. No rights are granted. Rights are protected by the BoR.
X_Digger
Jan 2014
#65
The primary concept is not whether the bill of rights 'grants' or 'protects' our rights...
Blanks
Jan 2014
#88
Does the fact that the first protects an individual right keep restrictions on speech..
X_Digger
Jan 2014
#92
Point was that the first (or second) being an individual right has no bearing..
X_Digger
Jan 2014
#96
The "my Mac 10 will protect me from government tyranny" canard is now laughed at
Doctor_J
Jan 2014
#101
Things aren't as bad as they could be and can still be changed peacefully
friendly_iconoclast
Jan 2014
#102
MLK probably thought that there would not be a black president in his lifetime.
Nye Bevan
Jan 2014
#39
The poster you are replying too simply seems to be saying that we should repeal the 2nd Amendment.
Nye Bevan
Jan 2014
#24
So (and I am not trying to be snarky here) if the Second Amendment was repealed,
Nye Bevan
Jan 2014
#31
The right to keep and bear arms, yes. You filled in the rest of that straw on your own.
X_Digger
Jan 2014
#46
As long as you don't argue all rights flow from the government, we won't have a problem.
X_Digger
Jan 2014
#50
Most of Europe does not consider the right to bear arms a pre-existing right
Bjorn Against
Jan 2014
#57
And screw the fact that we have the highest prison population in the world, that is not freedom
Bjorn Against
Jan 2014
#66
So if our culture is homicidally violent as you claim then how do you explain the drop in crime?
Bjorn Against
Jan 2014
#68
Our culture is homicidally violent, but less so now than 20 years ago. See how simple that was?
X_Digger
Jan 2014
#69
Demonstrates that even with no gun control in either city, there was quite a difference in homicide.
X_Digger
Jan 2014
#71
Correlation (smoking and inmates) does not imply causation (smoking causes crime).
X_Digger
Jan 2014
#73
So if we had 1 day of school and had a shooting we'd have 100% school shootings.
Auntie Bush
Jan 2014
#48
It's not going to change til the 2nd goes, and that's not going to happen.
Donald Ian Rankin
Jan 2014
#104