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HereSince1628

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17. As I remember it Johnson threw in the towel in spring 1968 before there were 58K dead and missing.
Sun Mar 18, 2012, 10:39 AM
Mar 2012

And in 1972, four years later, when I stepped into Davis Station at Saigon the US wasn't sending draftees to Vietnam anymore. The war was still plodding along without draftees. And the campaign promise of Nixon's secret method to get us out before the end of 1969 was pretty much forgotten.

Nixon had been overwhelmed by the problem that a US "retreat" from Vietnam was politically intolerable.

This has to do with a phenomenon gambling psychologists call 'sunk costs.' When you're deeply invested it's hard to walk away and accept the loss. You're willing to ante up everything on the chance of a win.

The nation's leaders so fear the humiliation of looking defeated and the shame of having spent American lives and treasure for nothing
that you just keep slogging along hoping for an end.

Nixon and Kissinger figured out how to use The Big Lie to get us out of Vietnam under the cover of "peace with honor", the same tactic was available to the Shrub...declare victory and leave. But then, Cheney and the neocons couldn't work out how to distribute the profits of their nasty little war and the opportunity to get out under the cover of the big lie was lost.

The nation as a whole, and Obama in particular face the same pressures of trying to recoup something like a win to cover the "sunk costs." Just this last week McCain was crowing again for more commitment to "achieve victory" in Afghanistan, and our regional allies continued to press for continuing the expanded conflict from the Kenyan border to Pakistan.

Our troops, and our unmanned aerial assassination vehicles, will come home when we find a way to achieve "peace with honor." It will probably come the same way it did for Nixon...through a big lie.























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How old are you? Do you remember Viet Nam? Do you up front shraby Mar 2012 #1
Yes, the draft 'gives them more warm bodies'.... daleanime Mar 2012 #6
I am certainly old enough to know about Vietnam. Do you know anything about WWI or II? I as others EV_Ares Mar 2012 #7
I remember to some degree WWII. My father went and shraby Mar 2012 #9
If you had a draft and, if it stipulated arthritisR_US Mar 2012 #14
+111 newfie11 Mar 2012 #16
Shraby, that is true also. However, in the other wars, the entire country sacrificied and with EV_Ares Mar 2012 #20
In the 21st century, wars should be events of the past. shraby Mar 2012 #27
You say: EV_Ares Mar 2012 #29
Does "shared sacrifice" make war Right? Nothing makes war shraby Mar 2012 #28
No, shared sacrifice does not make any war right. Absolutely not. However, what shared EV_Ares Mar 2012 #30
+1000..... arthritisR_US Mar 2012 #11
As I remember it Johnson threw in the towel in spring 1968 before there were 58K dead and missing. HereSince1628 Mar 2012 #17
Well said.(eom) Owlet Mar 2012 #26
but not everyone got drafted. ellenfl Mar 2012 #22
You are right. I don't know how many of our senators or congressmen, congresswomen served in the EV_Ares Mar 2012 #23
I agree it was the draft that made the war personal bahrbearian Mar 2012 #2
You're Fighting The Last War... KharmaTrain Mar 2012 #3
Now,the media ie,republicons are rewriting history butterfly77 Mar 2012 #4
I think there are too few people bearing the brunt of our latest foreign policy forays gratuitous Mar 2012 #5
Absolutely, the logic alone makes what you say true. EV_Ares Mar 2012 #8
I beg to differ on the number of protest marches over both wars lunatica Mar 2012 #10
Economic Draft TheMastersNemesis Mar 2012 #12
Your point about the draft and the media is good but I was astonished at the number. grantcart Mar 2012 #13
Never Advocate a Draft LeFleur1 Mar 2012 #15
I support a Draft excuse not to write Mar 2012 #18
War is a sucker's game. earthside Mar 2012 #19
There were many, many protests involving hundreds of thousands of people across the country Arugula Latte Mar 2012 #21
An all-volunteer force worked fine under Clinton and works under Obama gulliver Mar 2012 #24
Don't let anyone tell you that nixon ended the VietNam war madokie Mar 2012 #25
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