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Warren Stupidity

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72. And again, the onus on fact checking rests on Glass and his staff.

Sun Mar 18, 2012, 11:40 AM

Mar 2012

His complaint that Daisey lied to him repeatedly is irrelevant. You don't fact check by asking the author. You fact check by independently verifying facts asserted by the author. Glass did not do that. Market Place demonstrated just how easy it was to fact check Daisey. And as Glass stated, the blame is his. Daisey is not a journalist and demanding that he be held to journalistic standards is ridiculous.

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This American Life -- Has it "jumped the shark"? [View all] shcrane71 Mar 2012 OP

Excuse my ignorance but ???? lunatica Mar 2012 #1

Who is Mike Daisey? The Velveteen Ocelot Mar 2012 #2

a documentary guy who did an expose on foxconn. unfortunately, he falsified some of his research dionysus Mar 2012 #3

Oh, that guy. The Velveteen Ocelot Mar 2012 #5

making stuff up hasn't hurt James O'Keefe at all. provis99 Mar 2012 #6

It should, though. The Velveteen Ocelot Mar 2012 #11

Fox News gets much higher ratings than CNN or MSNBC provis99 Mar 2012 #80

What that means is only that there are a lot of The Velveteen Ocelot Mar 2012 #81

so? should that be the template to follow? cali Mar 2012 #15

these people crawled out of a sewer. provis99 Mar 2012 #43

oh for the love of pete. cali Mar 2012 #56

Daisy is a monologist: a theatrical performer, not a documentarian. Warren Stupidity Mar 2012 #7

He lied to the fact-checkers. 11cents Mar 2012 #44

He swore it was true. And more than once. cbayer Mar 2012 #51

Mixed up? You are very generous. BOHICA12 Mar 2012 #27

It's TAL, and Glass's responsibility to fact check what TAL and Glass airs. shcrane71 Mar 2012 #33

Daisey put Ira Glass's and TAL's entire reputation on the line, imo. cbayer Mar 2012 #4

Ira should take personal responsibility. shcrane71 Mar 2012 #8

Exactly. Warren Stupidity Mar 2012 #9

I only heard a part of it on MarketPlace yesterday, so I can't really comment on the whole cbayer Mar 2012 #10

He did take a great deal of responsibility. nolabear Mar 2012 #29

OK, I listened to the whole thing and I completely disagree with you. cbayer Mar 2012 #34

Why is this "performance artist" making shit up about Apple? MNBrewer Mar 2012 #38

He didn't make shit up about Apple, he made up a narrative about him visiting Foxconn factories. joshcryer Mar 2012 #40

I've got a question about the translator jsmirman Mar 2012 #58

If you listen to the show you will get your answers. cbayer Mar 2012 #74

I disagree. Daisy flat out lied about parts of the story. Do you realize that? Ira did what real.... Logical Mar 2012 #12

Shakespeare flat out lied about parts of richard the III. Warren Stupidity Mar 2012 #13

Maybe the dumbest response I have read this week. Logical Mar 2012 #16

You do understand that The Agony and Ecstasy of Steve Jobs is a play, right? Warren Stupidity Mar 2012 #19

It was repeatedly represented as truth to Ira Glass and his staff. cbayer Mar 2012 #36

Fact checking is not "ask the author if it is true". Warren Stupidity Mar 2012 #59

Did you listen to the show? Do you know what legnths they went to to verify this story? cbayer Mar 2012 #65

I'll let Ira Glass respond to you. Warren Stupidity Mar 2012 #69

Correct. That's why I object to the posts here saying he took no responsibility. cbayer Mar 2012 #70

And again, the onus on fact checking rests on Glass and his staff. Warren Stupidity Mar 2012 #72

You are right. He's not a journalist. He's a lying douche, though. cbayer Mar 2012 #75

It's a monologue in which Daisey claims to recounting his actual experiences. 11cents Mar 2012 #45

Exactly. And when Ira Glass asks him if he will now tell the audience that it is a story, cbayer Mar 2012 #52

Have you seen it? Warren Stupidity Mar 2012 #73

+10 shcrane71 Mar 2012 #18

A retraction is all that is needed. shcrane71 Mar 2012 #14

I doubt TAL or Ira likes being duped by Daisy. I don't blame them! Logical Mar 2012 #17

Ira's a big boy. He knew that Daisey wasn't a journalist. shcrane71 Mar 2012 #20

If Daisy was not a journalist then he should have said up from he was telling a fictional story. Logical Mar 2012 #21

It's not about Daisey. It's about Ira's over-the-top reaction. shcrane71 Mar 2012 #23

Ira trusted him not to be a liar. He deserves to be pissed. Logical Mar 2012 #24

Don't run a show that hasn't been vetted. TAL said themselves that it didn't take long shcrane71 Mar 2012 #32

Come out and say it, you don't like Ira Glass. It's clear that this isn't about being "dignified" MNBrewer Mar 2012 #39

sigh... I dislike Ira Glass's actions. Nothing against him personally. shcrane71 Mar 2012 #47

He didn't hit him ... BOHICA12 Mar 2012 #26

I don't think that they jumped the shark, but they did exactly what Daisey feared. joshcryer Mar 2012 #22

I listen to the original story and bought it .... BOHICA12 Mar 2012 #25

+1000 well said!! Logical Mar 2012 #67

I thought it quite remarkable. nolabear Mar 2012 #28

If TAL is a news show, I like a little less emotion & vindictiveness in my journalism. shcrane71 Mar 2012 #31

I hate Ira Glass' voice Tom Ripley Mar 2012 #30

You ask a question and then go hammer and tong at any answer BOHICA12 Mar 2012 #35

Really??? You think that Limbaugh and his dittoheads are going to be calling shcrane71 Mar 2012 #64

So you support a liar? former9thward Mar 2012 #37

the guy lied and used npr as a platform to spread his lies arely staircase Mar 2012 #41

Did you listen to Daisey's monologue? Don't use a performance artist to shcrane71 Mar 2012 #62

Daisy NEVER said the following is not truthful! He sold it as a 100% true story! Logical Mar 2012 #68

Are you intentionally trying to miss the point? shcrane71 Mar 2012 #76

It misread the meme, and tried humping the shark. The shark didn't take kindly to it. saras Mar 2012 #42

He should be humiliated for lying. Bonobo Mar 2012 #46

Who is responsible for fact checking what airs on This American Life? shcrane71 Mar 2012 #48

Ira is responsible ultimately and exercised it by calling out the liar. nt Bonobo Mar 2012 #55

I just read the transcript and thought it was well done. Brickbat Mar 2012 #49

Calling out a liar isn't a bad thing, need more of it though... got root Mar 2012 #50

Call a liar a liar, but save brow-beating, public humiliation for American Idol shcrane71 Mar 2012 #53

disagree, the more humiliation, the less likely someone will engage in it again got root Mar 2012 #54

Asking a journalist to do their job isn't blaming the victim. shcrane71 Mar 2012 #60

"Jumped shark"? no... dropped the ball? yes. bigtime. stlsaxman Mar 2012 #57

Love your Dorothy Day quote. shcrane71 Mar 2012 #61

I haven't listened to it but look forward to it. grantcart Mar 2012 #63

Daisey isn't a journalist. He was described by glass as a performance artist. shcrane71 Mar 2012 #66

And Mike Daisey responds. Warren Stupidity Mar 2012 #71

The biggest losers in the Daisey/Glass collaboration are the Chinese workers. shcrane71 Mar 2012 #77

If you would go back and listen to the whole show, I think you would find that cbayer Mar 2012 #78

I turned the radio up after the Daisey/Ira exchange. shcrane71 Mar 2012 #79

the information and the entertainment of This American Life remain consistent... LanternWaste Mar 2012 #82