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Igel

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30. Not what the chart means.
Fri Jan 24, 2014, 12:33 PM
Jan 2014

Then again, the OP also botches it: the rich pay 40% of income taxes but have most of the wealth.

The problem is that the percentage of income taxes they pay is about the same as their percentage of all income. That they have wealth sitting around is irrelevant to the first claim--my parents paid low income tax on their reitirement income even though they had a $200k house, two cars, a couple of IRAs and a couple hundred thousand in the bank (after cashing out all the savings bonds my mother had).

There are counter-arguments to be made--that the income taxes don't include payroll taxes, that 10% of $10k in income is different in effect on a family's living standard from the effect of 10% taxes on $100k or $1 million.

Then again, the idea that wealth is something that should be taxable all by itself is also a bit odd--my neighbors didn't lose anything when their houses went from $140 to $90k in worth any more than they gained when their houses went from $120 to $140k in 1996 or from $90k to $110k in 2013. Unless they were busy selling them at the time--then they had a loss (or gain). They've gained wealth and lost it (only to gain it back) and it has, properly, no tax implication. It would suck for a family making $50k a year to suddenly have to pay income taxes on an extra $20k one year, then two years later lose $50k in wealth with little effect on their income taxes, and 3-4 years after that pay taxes on another $20k as their houses regained value.

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Yeah, their money is such a burden notadmblnd Jan 2014 #1
Actually the rich should be paying 90% of all the taxes, democratisphere Jan 2014 #2
They damn sure need to be paying more than they're paying madokie Jan 2014 #7
They never paid 90% Major Nikon Jan 2014 #12
well Nixon was kinda cheating on his taxes hfojvt Jan 2014 #21
And to underscore that point... JHB Jan 2014 #13
Notice were the last big dip in tax rates is? Yep, that's right before the great depression. The one okaawhatever Jan 2014 #16
Not what the chart means. Igel Jan 2014 #30
This needs to be driven home on that point. LiberalFighter Jan 2014 #3
Now how do I facebook this? LiberalFighter Jan 2014 #4
Right click on image, save image. Then post image on your facebook. NYC_SKP Jan 2014 #47
Exactly. The rick are UNDER-taxed, no question. NT Adrahil Jan 2014 #5
I'm betting they're not taking into account MissMillie Jan 2014 #6
Absolutely! SoapBox Jan 2014 #23
Not to mention sales taxes, gasoline taxes and property taxes subterranean Jan 2014 #29
How are property taxes regressive? Sgent Jan 2014 #32
Yes, they are flat as a percentage of property value, subterranean Jan 2014 #33
Ahh Sgent Jan 2014 #34
The Corporations the rich own also have got to carry their fair share. Octafish Jan 2014 #8
26 major corporations paid no corporate income tax in the last 4 years, despite billions in profit antigop Jan 2014 #10
Austerity is working. Octafish Jan 2014 #19
Yep. nt antigop Jan 2014 #20
+1 a significant amount.......nt Enthusiast Jan 2014 #53
So that means that they have, what, a million dollars less or so? Proud Liberal Dem Jan 2014 #9
I think they should pay all the taxes, period! B Calm Jan 2014 #11
^^^THIS^^^ valerief Jan 2014 #15
90% of the nation's wealth = 90% of the nation's taxes. At the very least, unless wealth needs a freshwest Jan 2014 #45
Tax Thespian2 Jan 2014 #14
I don't get it. Glassunion Jan 2014 #17
Thank you. Triana Jan 2014 #18
They should be paying 90 percent SoCalDem Jan 2014 #22
Before I opened the thread gollygee Jan 2014 #24
Thanks for this - shared on facebook. davidthegnome Jan 2014 #25
"Only the little people pay taxes" Dyedinthewoolliberal Jan 2014 #26
They're right. They should be paying at least two-thirds Jack Rabbit Jan 2014 #27
FOX "News" tells people they are already millionaires.... Spitfire of ATJ Jan 2014 #28
I'm grateful for the well running 2004 car I have obxhead Jan 2014 #38
Every so often a Republican will claim renters shouldn't be allowed to vote.... Spitfire of ATJ Jan 2014 #40
No, they want to return to something that never existed and never will... obxhead Jan 2014 #52
I've run into a few Reagan Worshipers in the South that were too young to remember Reagan.... Spitfire of ATJ Jan 2014 #55
If wealth weren't so unequally spread, they wouldn't have to. lumberjack_jeff Jan 2014 #31
The rich get 90% of all income they should pay at least 90% of all taxes. At 40% they are Vincardog Jan 2014 #35
The bottom 80% have only 7% of the income but pay 21% of the taxes paid. n/t. airplaneman Jan 2014 #36
When they struggle to find their next meal obxhead Jan 2014 #37
K & R !!! WillyT Jan 2014 #39
Imagine all the sniveling that would take place fleabiscuit Jan 2014 #41
Let's examine.... N_E_1 for Tennis Jan 2014 #42
Let em pay 40% of their income, then I'll shut the fuck up. Iggo Jan 2014 #43
Well bless their little rich and heartless selves. TNNurse Jan 2014 #44
You Know what happens when the richest people bkanderson76 Jan 2014 #46
So 90% of the money pays 40% of the taxes and 10% of the money pays 60% of the taxes RVN VET Jan 2014 #48
The rich say allot of things.... ReRe Jan 2014 #49
If they want us to pay more taxes, raise our pay, Todays_Illusion Jan 2014 #50
Should be 90% above 2 million. defacto7 Jan 2014 #51
And they pay those taxes jimlup Jan 2014 #54
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