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pinboy3niner

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162. As I respect yours, brother

Fri Jan 24, 2014, 02:14 PM

Jan 2014

Mine is just a different reaction that a lot of us had after seeing the effects of firearms on human bodies in war. And I was badly wounded by AK fire myself, with half my lower jaw and teeth blown away. My jaw had to be reconstructed three times.

For me, it was a dramatic change from depending on firearms for survival in war to renouncing them afterward.

One of my recurring nightmares was of being chased by NVA soldiers while I was unarmed and unable to defend myself.

In-country, I ALWAYS had my weapon with me. When a brother vet found me and sent me a photo of us in VN a couple years ago, there was something I noticed about the photo. It was me, Dan, and Russ (who was later KIA) just outside our firebase. In the photo, I'm the only one holding a rifle. It was ALWAYS with me, as a matter of survival.

After VN, and after seeing--and experiencing--the effects of firearms, I just wanted no part of them.

I'm glad you made it too, brother.

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Florida Man Claims Self-Defense After Hopping A Fence To Shoot, Kill 21-Year-Old In A Hoodie [View all] MrScorpio Jan 2014 OP

Fortunately juries can still say ""you are full of shit - guilty." nt hack89 Jan 2014 #1

But it's Florida, so that's not guaranteed. This guy is a stone murderer. He better not get off. Squinch Jan 2014 #4

If it was a Cop - it would be a completely justified shooting FreakinDJ Jan 2014 #11

Cops get away with abuse all the time. Basically untouchable. nt Logical Jan 2014 #19

Hard to prove murder in these cases, but I'd try him for manslaughter for sure... Hippo_Tron Jan 2014 #138

The judge can throw out the case before it gets a jury. (nt) jeff47 Jan 2014 #27

Hard to imagine that happening here hack89 Jan 2014 #32

I think SYG defense is going to go the way of the temporary insanity defense NightWatcher Jan 2014 #2

Yeah but the article said gollygee Jan 2014 #7

So you have SYG Turbineguy Jan 2014 #81

so claims to be scared yet goes after the person he is afraid of and then lies to police about JI7 Jan 2014 #3

gun owners' fantasy - hunt and kill a human nt msongs Jan 2014 #5

I own guns and harbor no such fantasy. 11 Bravo Jan 2014 #12

After it was nicely pointed out that my original post was insensitive, I will withdraw it. rhett o rick Jan 2014 #16

No. In point of fact, over 40 years later I still have nightmares about the two ... 11 Bravo Jan 2014 #22

good for you heaven05 Jan 2014 #28

So many fail to understand, sarisataka Jan 2014 #29

I will die happy, an old man in my bed, never having used a firearm in anger AtheistCrusader Jan 2014 #34

Small chance of killing an innocent kid with... Walk away Jan 2014 #80

Prefereable then that no one AtheistCrusader Jan 2014 #84

I'm not a huge fan of firearms. Would probably never own one even if I lived in the country. nomorenomore08 Jan 2014 #121

I was about to write something similar. +1 ...not a gun owner, but I don't think all gun owners evil tofuandbeer Jan 2014 #134

After Vietnam I wanted nothing to do with firearms pinboy3niner Jan 2014 #47

Glad you're still here. Gidney N Cloyd Jan 2014 #49

Thanks pinboy3niner Jan 2014 #66

Sorry, but thanks for one powerful post. Hoyt Jan 2014 #54

Thanks for the post. That took some sisu to write. riqster Jan 2014 #76

Wow! Great post. Starboard Tack Jan 2014 #83

I hear you my brother, and while I do own guns, I totally respect your choice. 11 Bravo Jan 2014 #98

As I respect yours, brother pinboy3niner Jan 2014 #162

Sorry to hear that. I know PTSD is almost more the norm than the exception, among war vets. nomorenomore08 Jan 2014 #122

Chripes. That's awful. :( tofuandbeer Jan 2014 #135

Kick some smart ass, 11 Bravo - raven mad Jan 2014 #51

"Kick some ass". Yep, and that's what it is all about. That's probably what rhett o rick Jan 2014 #109

I've never understood bullies. raven mad Jan 2014 #110

I think I understand bullies. What some people dont realize is that not only is the big guy rhett o rick Jan 2014 #123

You did misunderstand, rhett o rick. It was a metaphor/simile/whatever raven mad Jan 2014 #146

I think you've single-handedly changed my mind about gun owership. sibelian Jan 2014 #74

Which is why gun owners should not be blanketly stereotyped. And those who *do* harbor violent nomorenomore08 Jan 2014 #124

This is a shameful post. Feral Child Jan 2014 #108

That was pretty uncalled for, rhett o rick. raven mad Jan 2014 #112

Pretty crappy, oh expert on bullies. Eleanors38 Jan 2014 #136

I agree. I apologize. nm rhett o rick Jan 2014 #139

I appreciate that. With respect. Eleanors38 Jan 2014 #152

yes you do bowens43 Jan 2014 #77

Oh, look: more bullshit telepsychoanalysis! Lizzie Poppet Jan 2014 #78

Anti-gunners Delusion - "gun owners' fantasy - hunt and kill a human nt" Ghost in the Machine Jan 2014 #25

Because gun owners never do that. Oh, my mistake - THEY SEEM TO DO THAT ALMOST EVERY WEEK! baldguy Jan 2014 #39

One can claim anything he wants. ManiacJoe Jan 2014 #42

I *DO NOT* think this was a SYG case, and the guy should be charged with murder. Got it?? Ok, good! Ghost in the Machine Jan 2014 #43

Bow hunting is more challenging. svpadgham Jan 2014 #73

I used to bow hunt... with a cherry wood Long Bow when I was younger.. *much* younger lol, and agree Ghost in the Machine Jan 2014 #111

Yeah, Zimmerman said same friggin thing day before murdering Trayvon Martin. Still thinks he's a Hoyt Jan 2014 #57

Well Hoyt, how many MILLIONS of gun owners DIDN'T shoot anyone that day? Better yet, how many Ghost in the Machine Jan 2014 #67

To keep those folks in gunz, this is what we get. Not worth it. Hoyt Jan 2014 #69

I agree mostly with what you say Starboard Tack Jan 2014 #106

I don't see banning and/or confiscation happening in my lifetime, and I'll be 51 next month... Ghost in the Machine Jan 2014 #119

Well, that's not how it works. Starboard Tack Jan 2014 #120

A U.K.-esque blanket handgun ban would likely never happen here, I agree. nomorenomore08 Jan 2014 #127

The tough Aussies had the guts to pretty much ban gunz in 1996. Hoyt Jan 2014 #130

I agree we absolutely can't just "do nothing." Hoping for U.K./Australia-style gun laws is probably nomorenomore08 Jan 2014 #132

Yes. Changes in cultural attitudes certainly impacted smoking, another foul, harmful addiction that Hoyt Jan 2014 #133

Which is why those who excessively cater to gun owners are even worse than those who nomorenomore08 Jan 2014 #125

There's evidence every day in the DU Gun Control/RKBA Group..... Paladin Jan 2014 #82

I remember that old codger.. shot them right as the cops rolled up in front of his house... Ghost in the Machine Jan 2014 #115

There is a lot of prejudice and hate in the hearts of some gun banners. Eleanors38 Jan 2014 #137

That's not a fair statement. Chemisse Jan 2014 #33

Sad when this kind of drivel is taken as valid. as a reasonable view. Skip Intro Jan 2014 #58

Typical GD gun thread. Lizzie Poppet Jan 2014 #65

Like programmed bots. n/t Skip Intro Jan 2014 #88

Do they routinely carry gun in public, practice to shoot people, drool over AR15s, promote gunz etc. Hoyt Jan 2014 #104

I know not a single gun owner with such a fantasy. Lizzie Poppet Jan 2014 #64

Ever shot at a target resembling a human, practiced drawing, etc. Hoyt Jan 2014 #70

Of course. But that's not what the poster I responded to said. Lizzie Poppet Jan 2014 #75

It's disgusting how gun ownership is fetishized in America. chrisa Jan 2014 #160

Charles Pierce talks about bill to EXPAND "SYG" law in Florida: bullwinkle428 Jan 2014 #6

This is why it is important for the NRA to not be the ONLY option for gun owners AtheistCrusader Jan 2014 #35

Let assume that I am legally carrying a firearm in Florida and I am attacked ... spin Jan 2014 #63

Another gun fancier who would have called police and stayed put, except he had a gun. So, like Zman Hoyt Jan 2014 #8

THIS! BrotherIvan Jan 2014 #45

Hard to believe gun crowd does not see that. Well, maybe they do and just don't care. Hoyt Jan 2014 #53

Remember the case a year or two ago in which some guy in line at tblue37 Jan 2014 #62

Or went out to his car, got his gun and came back BrotherIvan Jan 2014 #91

I believe the black Florida woman who did this got 20 yrs. Eleanors38 Jan 2014 #140

Exactly. All he had to do was lock the doors PotatoChip Jan 2014 #68

Exactly BrotherIvan Jan 2014 #90

In most cases the only thing a gun is good for is to give a coward or a fool, some courage. n/t A Simple Game Jan 2014 #94

"Most" of over 80,000,000 fellow Ameticans? And this talk of civil war. Eleanors38 Jan 2014 #141

I should have specified concealed carry people. I doubt there are A Simple Game Jan 2014 #147

I have friends who carry concealed and they seem OK to me. Eleanors38 Jan 2014 #151

My remark may be somewhat hyperbolic but I believe for the most part to be true. A Simple Game Jan 2014 #155

I don't see the police being much of a factor... Eleanors38 Jan 2014 #156

What would the revolution look like? It may have already started. A Simple Game Jan 2014 #157

I hope you are right. Eleanors38 Jan 2014 #158

Me too. I'm ok but I want it for my children and grandchildren. n/t A Simple Game Jan 2014 #161

The Zimmerman case is precedent - TBF Jan 2014 #9

Zimmerman didn't use SYG as a defense. n/t Skip Intro Jan 2014 #55

Did I say he did? The case is still precedent - TBF Jan 2014 #71

They were both armed. n/t Skip Intro Jan 2014 #86

Trayvon Martin was armed? Dawgs Jan 2014 #92

Poster said this was shooting an unarmed teen and then Skip Intro Jan 2014 #99

Oh well that makes perfect sense then - TBF Jan 2014 #96

Doubt the shooter is a member of the NRA. Skip Intro Jan 2014 #100

I did not "imply" that - I spoke about the Trayvon Martin TBF Jan 2014 #103

Maybe not. ForgoTheConsequence Jan 2014 #102

He did not have to because when SYG was enacted in Florida, it changed definition of self-defense to Hoyt Jan 2014 #105

And Gov. Rick Scott Just Proclaimed His Intent to Make FL the #1 Tourist Destination in the World TBA Jan 2014 #10

Why would anyone want to visit a state where bumping into a person at bluestate10 Jan 2014 #50

Is he planning to put a bulletproof vest rental booth at every airport and weigh station? jmowreader Jan 2014 #56

This is a case I would be careful with. DevonRex Jan 2014 #13

Another source has a gun in the victim's pants KurtNYC Jan 2014 #14

Even if this is true BrotherIvan Jan 2014 #46

"... since when is that grounds for lethal force? oldhippie Jan 2014 #159

Surveillance cameras? randome Jan 2014 #15

I have two cameras at my front gate oneshooter Jan 2014 #113

When black people in florida start shooting white people in florida under stand your ground loudsue Jan 2014 #17

No whites in this case seveneyes Jan 2014 #18

Gawd. That is even more fucked up. loudsue Jan 2014 #20

Youth and adrenaline seveneyes Jan 2014 #21

I don't know if he'll get convicted gollygee Jan 2014 #38

lots of crazy results from SYG laws noiretextatique Jan 2014 #107

You're short-circuiting a perfectly good Zimmy thread! Eleanors38 Jan 2014 #143

but the point still stands Blue_Tires Jan 2014 #150

+1 Blue_Tires Jan 2014 #148

I'll never set foot in FL. blkmusclmachine Jan 2014 #23

Have been to Florida 4 times in 65 years. GoneOffShore Jan 2014 #36

When my family wants to do Disney, I always suggest the west coast. loudsue Jan 2014 #40

this is fucked up the SYG laws have got to go gopiscrap Jan 2014 #24

SYG seems to be there Turbineguy Jan 2014 #26

K&R. Dark n Stormy Knight Jan 2014 #30

Floriduh is one of 3 states I will never visit AAO Jan 2014 #31

I'll add Utah to that list. GoneOffShore Jan 2014 #37

That's one place I've never even considered going to. OK 4 then. AAO Jan 2014 #52

How the F is this even possible? etherealtruth Jan 2014 #41

He's been charged with 2nd-degree murder pinboy3niner Jan 2014 #44

All that's happened is the person "claims" self-defense. DirkGently Jan 2014 #95

What part of this don't people understand? freshwest Jan 2014 #48

Another emotion laden, factless trial by internet. Really, again? flvegan Jan 2014 #59

I don't think that benign discussions on internet message board LanternWaste Jan 2014 #97

And it happened in Florida. I'm shocked. Vashta Nerada Jan 2014 #60

So good he denied it at first.. that Cha Jan 2014 #61

Aaaah Florida JackInGreen Jan 2014 #72

LET HIM! HE is fucked! Rex Jan 2014 #79

Boy, I guess all those people who said the Zimmerman decision... malthaussen Jan 2014 #85

This person hasn't claimed SYG. Neither did Zimm. DirkGently Jan 2014 #89

Pants falling down and a hoodie - what a surprise... polichick Jan 2014 #87

Do blacks profile, too? Eleanors38 Jan 2014 #144

Some whites, some blacks, some people profile. polichick Jan 2014 #154

Both are black. They won't let Smith go. tblue Jan 2014 #93

Every gun owner is a responsible gun owner..... ForgoTheConsequence Jan 2014 #101

Every car owner is a responsible car owner.......... oneshooter Jan 2014 #114

Car's primary (and designed) purpose, method of transportation. PowerToThePeople Jan 2014 #116

And yet people are killed why using oneshooter Jan 2014 #117

Jet Ski/ Boat/ Toaster/ Light bulb socket. PowerToThePeople Jan 2014 #118

That is a reflection of mental health care in America hack89 Jan 2014 #126

Idiotic comparison. ForgoTheConsequence Jan 2014 #128

Yeah, but Oneshooter, no one here has a user name like Onecardriver. Hoyt Jan 2014 #131

This happened in Orlando Fl? tjl148 Jan 2014 #129

Yep, the BigNewz™ exception. Had a similar case in Austin. Knife used=obscurity. Eleanors38 Jan 2014 #145

Orlando Sentinel: pinboy3niner Jan 2014 #149

Thanks tjl148 Jan 2014 #153

You know, these days, I'm feeling distinctly afraid of my ex-mother-in-law.... Th1onein Jan 2014 #142