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former9thward

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51. Sure
Sun Mar 18, 2012, 11:55 AM
Mar 2012

BTW regards to guards Daisey must have never been to a factory in the U.S. if he thinks armed guards are a big deal. I worked at a steel mill in Chicago and they had plenty of armed security. Not unusual at all.

From http://www.edrants.com/mike-daisey-lies-on-this-american-life-theaters-wont-cancel-performances-or-issue-refunds/

Daisey claimed that he met with workers “at coffeehouses and different Starbucks in Guangzhou.” Schmitz pointed out that it was unlikely that factory workers who made fifteen to twenty dollars a day would sip coffee at Starbucks. Because Starbucks is pricier in China than in the United States.

Daisey claimed that he talked to hundreds of workers. Cathy Lee said that it was 50 workers on the outside.

Daisey claimed that he posed as a businessman to get inside Foxconn’s factories. In fact, Daisey’s appointments were all set up in advance.

Daisey claimed that he visited ten factories Cathy Lee told This American Life it was only three.

While Apple’s own audits have revealed some underage workers (a total of 91 workers among hundreds of thousands in 2010), Cathy Lee revealed that Daisey had not met any underage workers during his trip. “Maybe we met a girl who looked like she was thirteen years old, like that one. She looks really young,” said Cathy Lee. “I think if she said she was thirteen or twelve, then I would be surprised. I would be very surprised. And I would remember for sure. But there is no such thing.” In the ten years that Cathy Lee has visited factories in Shenzhen, she’s hardly seen any underage workers.

Daisey claimed to meet twenty-five to thirty workers from an unauthorized union in an all-day meeting. The meeting did happen. But it was two to three workers, and the meeting was only for a few hours, over lunch at a restaurant.

Cathy Lee has doubts about the government-issued blacklist of people who the companies weren’t allowed to hire. While she remembers the blacklist, she says that it didn’t have an official government stamp, which any government-issued document would have.

Daisey claimed that he encountered people who had been poisoned by n-hexane, with their hands shaking uncontrollably. But Cathy Lee told Rob Schmitz that she and Daisey hadn’t met anybody poisoned by hexane. The story came from news in 2010, but the hexane poisoning occurred in a Wintek family in Suzhou, nearly a thousand miles away from Shenzhen.

Daisey describes an old man who got his hand twisted in a metal press and who has never seen an iPad turned on. In Daisey’s monologue, the old man says, “It’s a kind of magic,” when the iPad’s screen is turned on. Cathy Lee said that this never happened. “It’s just like a movie scenery,” she said on the program. She did say she remembered the guy, but that he never worked at Foxconn.

The taxi ride on the exit ramp that ended in thin air 85 feet from the ground? Cathy Lee said that it did not happen.

Cathy Lee said that she and Daisey never saw any factory dorm rooms.

Daisey claimed that it would not work if he talked with Foxcon workers at the gate. But Cathy Lee has been taking workers to the factory gates for years.

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there are independent reports about their manufacturing processes so yeah, I still 'hate' roguevalley Mar 2012 #1
I hope you include Microsoft. nadinbrzezinski Mar 2012 #21
I include them all, Nadin. None of them are there for good reasons. I hope to god that roguevalley Mar 2012 #36
This message was self-deleted by its author TroglodyteScholar Mar 2012 #93
The guy you are referring to IS Mike Daisey... targetpractice Mar 2012 #39
I have no idea what you are even talking about. You and the dozen or so others who kestrel91316 Mar 2012 #2
Mike Daisey wrote a theatre piece about Steve Jobs oberliner Mar 2012 #34
It wasn't false either - he reported incidents from other reports adigal Mar 2012 #75
What did Apple do now? Rex Mar 2012 #3
Yeah, I have no idea what the Apple and Daisey ranting is about. kestrel91316 Mar 2012 #4
Sometimes cults are hard to understand. Rex Mar 2012 #6
Hopefully the OP recorded the sermon to which he's reacting. n/t lumberjack_jeff Mar 2012 #10
Dasey had a story on this American life nadinbrzezinski Mar 2012 #25
It is a 'cult of personality' issue. Rex Mar 2012 #48
So does Microsoft nadinbrzezinski Mar 2012 #49
Absolutely correct. Rex Mar 2012 #54
Exactly nadinbrzezinski Mar 2012 #55
I have my post powerful system Rex Mar 2012 #57
It is about the factories over in China where people Maraya1969 Mar 2012 #53
Just don't buy any product that is electronic nadinbrzezinski Mar 2012 #56
Then don't BUY. Remember that Apple advertising encourages massive waste. Pholus Mar 2012 #60
How exactly does an IPad with an aluminum case nadinbrzezinski Mar 2012 #73
"Greenest electronics" is a marketing line. Pholus Mar 2012 #78
If you want to continue this line your prerrogative nadinbrzezinski Mar 2012 #80
I get the impression you're more worried about "Apple hate" than the problem. Pholus Mar 2012 #81
"The sociopathic behavior of Apple cultists . . ." Major Hogwash Mar 2012 #82
Are *you* posting about profits for every company you buy stuff from? Pholus Mar 2012 #90
Interesting interpretation... TroglodyteScholar Mar 2012 #94
Go on, continue to broad brush nadinbrzezinski Mar 2012 #83
I notice you have no comments about the specifics. Big picture indeed... Pholus Mar 2012 #91
I did before nadinbrzezinski Mar 2012 #92
So you got nuttin then.... Pholus Mar 2012 #98
Mike who? Iggo Mar 2012 #5
I'm lost as well Cali_Democrat Mar 2012 #7
He wrote a play about Steve Jobs oberliner Mar 2012 #35
Journalism is theater, always has been ProgressiveProfessor Mar 2012 #8
So true. shcrane71 Mar 2012 #20
Foxconn still sucks and Apple is just one of the many corporations think Mar 2012 #9
china is not now nor has ever been 'communist' KG Mar 2012 #11
Oooh an Apple thread sharp_stick Mar 2012 #12
Oh good, someone is finally standing up for the lil' guy. shcrane71 Mar 2012 #13
Thankfully the company already provides a safety net for its workers: think Mar 2012 #14
Now that's an efficient safety net. shcrane71 Mar 2012 #17
It's crappy to mischaracterize a company Aerows Mar 2012 #15
Apple stuff is still made in a hellish sweat shops alongside all the other electronic crap KG Mar 2012 #16
The reason that Apple is targeted with these exposés isn't shcrane71 Mar 2012 #18
I can bet that the majority of items made in China wether they be electronics or toys have poor Pisces Mar 2012 #22
Both Pepsi and Coke suck but only Coke has a history of killing union workers: think Mar 2012 #30
True, but the top dog is the consumer that wants cheap products. Most of our things come from China Pisces Mar 2012 #33
Apple products are not cheap. girl gone mad Mar 2012 #38
Doesn't Apple have more money than most countries? nt shcrane71 Mar 2012 #41
I don't feel ripped off. I have a great computer that is easy to use and has never had a virus. Pisces Mar 2012 #43
Actually it would run sixty extra on the top end nadinbrzezinski Mar 2012 #76
If industry leaders, like Apple, would insist on better pay scales shcrane71 Mar 2012 #37
Here is the problem nadinbrzezinski Mar 2012 #74
everything he mentioned has been widely documented elsewhere bowens43 Mar 2012 #19
Another reason to hate apple they hate Freedom and free software. Aerows Mar 2012 #26
That is not true. former9thward Mar 2012 #31
I'll admit you WON if you can find Mike Daisey's name in this article... Pholus Mar 2012 #32
They did NOT "pull the program". It aired in early January and today they offered a "retraction". A HERETIC I AM Mar 2012 #45
They pulled the 'facts' that were aired on the January program. former9thward Mar 2012 #46
I listened to the entire program today! A HERETIC I AM Mar 2012 #47
Perhaps a list of retracted facts might get your point across more effectively. Pholus Mar 2012 #50
Sure former9thward Mar 2012 #51
Thanks, you just made my point for me. Pholus Mar 2012 #58
You said all of these conditions were documented elsewhere. former9thward Mar 2012 #61
LOL. I thought the line was "EVERYBODY makes stuff at Foxconn," (the suicide plant). Romulox Mar 2012 #62
The suicide claim has been debunked. former9thward Mar 2012 #65
Nonsense. That's a bogus comparison. The correct comparison is to a similar US manufacturing plant. Romulox Mar 2012 #67
A similar US manufacturing plant??? Really??? former9thward Mar 2012 #70
Cities have jails. And mental hospitals. And homeless people. And junkies. Foxconn got those, too? Romulox Mar 2012 #71
China does not have homeless people and junkies. former9thward Mar 2012 #79
Your assertions are simply bizarre and inaccurate. Moreover, they are entirely irrelevant. nt Romulox Mar 2012 #89
You can't answer facts. former9thward Mar 2012 #95
Foxconn isn't a city. Fact. China has a huge heroin problem. Fact. Your claims are ludicrous. n Romulox Mar 2012 #99
LOL. Fact. Facts don't matter when you argue with marketspeak. Pholus Mar 2012 #102
Thanks Pholus! I really appreciate your posts to this thread. nt Romulox Mar 2012 #103
Right back at you! :) nt Pholus Mar 2012 #104
Funny I have never seen that in the two times I have been to China. former9thward Mar 2012 #105
So is that "fact" a strength in your opinion? Pholus Mar 2012 #101
Here you go. The last time I showed you this list you just went away. Pholus Mar 2012 #77
Oh a story in the Times which was the only paper former9thward Mar 2012 #96
So that's your final answer? Bzzzzzt! You lose!!!! Pholus Mar 2012 #97
LOL. Yeah, if you want to go by what's in the *paper*, yes, Apple is a human rights abuser... Romulox Mar 2012 #100
+1 to Rom and Phol on the entire discussion. Keep on rockin! NT Mc Mike Mar 2012 #106
bill maher talking to mike daisy in feb frankroberts Mar 2012 #23
they're all out paying half the price for a computer just as good or better lol nt msongs Mar 2012 #24
Responsibility lies with the consumer randr Mar 2012 #27
No crickets here! NYTIMES and ABC investigations stand unchallenged. Pholus Mar 2012 #28
Yep, it's already being used to push apathy and justify this relationship. joshcryer Mar 2012 #42
+ 1. This smells like Karl Rove's "MemoGate" gambit in '04. Mc Mike Mar 2012 #64
The apple ad demonstrates its superiority to Microsoft - what can you say? saras Mar 2012 #29
Daisey's narrative has untruths. Doesn't change that others have reported the same stuff. joshcryer Mar 2012 #40
This American Life did NOT cancel the show. It aired in early January. A HERETIC I AM Mar 2012 #44
This does not exonerate Apple or any other tech company alarimer Mar 2012 #52
Daisey sounds like a false-flag propagandist. Wonder if Apple is paying him? nt Romulox Mar 2012 #59
I for one am so glad about this travesty of reporting being corrected by reality. Safetykitten Mar 2012 #63
Thanks Sk. You beat me to the punch by ~ 20 mins., but I gear up slowly. NT Mc Mike Mar 2012 #66
What an overdramatic take on this RZM Mar 2012 #68
i hear a spirited defense of Apple's heinous labor practices. dionysus Mar 2012 #69
Ask and ye shall receive. n/t hughee99 Mar 2012 #72
Don't worry, we're still here. TroglodyteScholar Mar 2012 #84
Sorry, my outrage is not based on Apple. It's based on OFFSHORING. Zalatix Mar 2012 #85
Dell nadinbrzezinski Mar 2012 #86
Well, what computer maker doesn't contribute to the RNC? Zalatix Mar 2012 #87
The intelligent ones contribute to both parties nadinbrzezinski Mar 2012 #88
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