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146. Do I understand you to say that you think that the TPP and NAFTA are progressive? nm

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The Trans-Pacific Partnership looks like a giant step toward the end of sovereign nations. [View all] rhett o rick Jan 2014 OP

They Want A "One World Economy" Where They Can Exploit Everything. TheMastersNemesis Jan 2014 #1

Yes I agree. Even Democrats want that. nm rhett o rick Jan 2014 #2

See: Clinton solarhydrocan Jan 2014 #5

TPP or not, I'll vote for Hillary Progressive dog Jan 2014 #66

I haven't decided. But her support of TPP would weigh against it. JDPriestly Jan 2014 #73

I don't want her. I want someone better to run. glinda Jan 2014 #88

Bernie Sanders has said that if no one else runs, he will. JDPriestly Jan 2014 #98

He would have mine also. Just hate to tie his hands should he get elected. glinda Jan 2014 #163

Yes I can see how those that support Wall Street would support Clinton-Sachs. nm rhett o rick Jan 2014 #91

I do support capitalism with FDR regulation, Progressive dog Jan 2014 #116

Do you think that H. Clinton-Sachs is a progressive? Do you think her close ties with rhett o rick Jan 2014 #118

Hillary Clinton is a Progressive, Progressive dog Jan 2014 #119

By whose definition is H. Clinton a progressive? Does she support FDR type regulations? rhett o rick Jan 2014 #120

Yes, she supports FDR style regulations. Progressive dog Jan 2014 #121

There's a huge difference between "isolationist" and basic common sense Armstead Jan 2014 #126

Basic common sense relies on facts, not imagination. Progressive dog Jan 2014 #128

I'm not going down that road Armstead Jan 2014 #130

Of course you need no evidence, facts don't matter Progressive dog Jan 2014 #132

See you're already doing it." Nyah nyah I deal with facts. You're just making stuff up." Armstead Jan 2014 #133

So that was all FDR and Clinton ever did in your mind? Progressive dog Jan 2014 #137

Oh you're good at this Armstead Jan 2014 #139

You don't even know what a fact is Progressive dog Jan 2014 #140

Now you've become boring. Armstead Jan 2014 #142

You started there Progressive dog Jan 2014 #143

P.S. I've been paying attention to this stuff for 30 years... Armstead Jan 2014 #134

Do I understand you to say that you think that the TPP and NAFTA are progressive? nm rhett o rick Jan 2014 #146

No you did not Progressive dog Jan 2014 #147

In the area of economy, how is H. Clinton-Sachs progressive? nm rhett o rick Jan 2014 #148

There is no Clinton-Sachs Progressive dog Jan 2014 #151

Socially progressive -- But a corporate conservative on issues of money and power Armstead Jan 2014 #125

If she is a corporate conservative, Progressive dog Jan 2014 #127

FDR pushed for financial regulation. Clinton killed it. Armstead Jan 2014 #129

See Business Week: she played a leading part in drafting the TPP antigop Jan 2014 #83

That does. I will never support her, wouldn't have anyway because of her support for War, but that sabrina 1 Jan 2014 #92

I won't back down, we have to push back early and hard. NYC_SKP Jan 2014 #96

I agree. Now is the time to make it clear that if Dems push her they will lose. So they better start sabrina 1 Jan 2014 #97

They need to own their shit, their wars and their selling out the middle class. NYC_SKP Jan 2014 #105

Exactly. And in many ways it's our fault too for looking the other way because the alternative is sabrina 1 Jan 2014 #117

Yeah abelenkpe Jan 2014 #155

it's not dems versus gop magical thyme Jan 2014 #80

My point exactly. nm rhett o rick Jan 2014 #81

Who are 'they'? nt babylonsister Jan 2014 #18

see reply #5, for one of "them". delrem Jan 2014 #32

The rich, powerful people, who meet in secret, ronnie624 Jan 2014 #46

Is this a rhetorical question implying that anyone who thinks there is a "they" ChisolmTrailDem Jan 2014 #56

The question implies that there is a 'conspiracy theory' at play. ronnie624 Jan 2014 #58

"Conspiracy" is not some lunatic notion. Maedhros Jan 2014 #59

I agree with you 100%. ronnie624 Jan 2014 #60

By definition, the TPP is a conspiracy, bvar22 Jan 2014 #65

"Conspiracy" is a legal term defined as follows: JDPriestly Jan 2014 #74

All those currently attending Davos. Ikonoklast Jan 2014 #57

Winner! ^^^^^ nt ChisolmTrailDem Jan 2014 #64

The right is all over the "One World Government" and FTA's and the WTO (One World Economy?) pampango Jan 2014 #42

This is one time when I agree with the conservatives..... Swede Atlanta Jan 2014 #52

Yes. TPP is very unpopular among both Republicans and Democrats. JDPriestly Jan 2014 #82

I was once surprised to hear a Canadian say that NAFTA "only benefited the US".. whathehell Jan 2014 #109

One Canadian industry that benefitted from NAFTA was truedelphi Jan 2014 #158

So what? Are you saying that not liking TPP means one is "right"? El_Johns Jan 2014 #101

"smear by association" is all they got bobduca Jan 2014 #104

The poll does not have anything to do with the TPP. The far right believes it is the 'liberal elite' pampango Jan 2014 #112

IF DA TEA PARTY IS AGIN IT, WE MUST BE FER IT!1111 bobduca Jan 2014 #103

Perhaps not. But we share little in terms of the tea party world view, I suspect. pampango Jan 2014 #136

And your point is?....... Armstead Jan 2014 #131

Correct me if I am wrong, but aren't our international treaties and agreements almost always pampango Jan 2014 #138

That's the problem Armstead Jan 2014 #141

Agree - the only benefit to that TBF Jan 2014 #76

Adios, Our Social Security Trust Fund stuffmatters Jan 2014 #86

Treaties are a way around existing law. That simple! Coyotl Jan 2014 #3

They are called "agreements" specifically for that reason solarhydrocan Jan 2014 #9

So where is this leading? Will there be one world government run by someone chosen by the rhett o rick Jan 2014 #11

Joe Biden knows solarhydrocan Jan 2014 #14

Whoever is really running the show has 30,000 armed Drones coming to watch you where you live/work. blkmusclmachine Jan 2014 #24

This makes my stomach turn. nt octoberlib Jan 2014 #4

and mine 840high Jan 2014 #22

Exactly FiveGoodMen Jan 2014 #6

It's not his fault, Penny Pritzker is making him do it. nm rhett o rick Jan 2014 #7

k/r ........ Sobering. marmar Jan 2014 #8

"Corporate persons" need to be subject to corporal punishment Scootaloo Jan 2014 #10

Yes, it's been called the end of the order of Metternich nadinbrzezinski Jan 2014 #12

No one in power is worried about the American Empire. They are looking to a World government. rhett o rick Jan 2014 #13

That is part of it nadinbrzezinski Jan 2014 #15

They get their empire via these trade agreements, it's just not the American Empire. rhett o rick Jan 2014 #29

Led by the US nadinbrzezinski Jan 2014 #30

Harnessing the US military and infrastructure but above all of us (is what I suspect). FiveGoodMen Jan 2014 #69

They (our politicians) are expecting to be taken care of after they destroy our country. indie9197 Jan 2014 #38

The TPP be the end of the Bretton Woods? The intent of FDR's 1944 conference is still alive. pampango Jan 2014 #43

Yes, the us intents to dominate with the dollar nadinbrzezinski Jan 2014 #49

Of Course It Is... They Just Don't Know How To Explain It, Without Using The Word FASCISM... WillyT Jan 2014 #16

This is the "New World Order" that GHWB referred to.... ReRe Jan 2014 #17

once went to an editorial meeting of an alternative daily here BelgianMadCow Jan 2014 #19

NAFTA Super Highway FTW Renew Deal Jan 2014 #20

Wow...nice map! KoKo Jan 2014 #21

Right Wing Watch: The NAFTA Superhighway and North American Union are far-right conspiracy theories pampango Jan 2014 #41

I know. So is "the end of sovereign nations" talk Renew Deal Jan 2014 #51

I noticed that too. JoePhilly Jan 2014 #71

Remember when the GOP blocked the UN disabilities treaty in the Senate in 2012? Cali_Democrat Jan 2014 #145

Thank you! Cali_Democrat Jan 2014 #79

The GOP passed the job-killing "free trade" treaties brentspeak Jan 2014 #93

There is a huge divide between the republican base and politicians on NAFTA and 'free trade' pampango Jan 2014 #115

So you provide graphs to illustrate how the trade treaties have killed the USA brentspeak Jan 2014 #122

The graphs show US manufacturing employment has been declining since 1955. What "trade treaties" pampango Jan 2014 #135

Here's some Links to help you out about NAFTA since you seem confused: KoKo Jan 2014 #144

Thanks for not anwering the question. The 40 year decline in manufacturing jobs did not pampango Jan 2014 #152

Not quite true...you need to check out the links. You are looking KoKo Jan 2014 #157

Change You Can BeLIEve In, Bay-bee! blkmusclmachine Jan 2014 #23

And by extension, democracy. woo me with science Jan 2014 #25

That is the major thrust, the end of the democratic era. TheKentuckian Jan 2014 #36

I think quite a few of us already have felt that for truedelphi Jan 2014 #106

No doubt but this is still a pretty significant actual legal advancement of that conclusion. TheKentuckian Jan 2014 #123

Oops, I just realized I didn't focus on the words truedelphi Jan 2014 #154

I don't see how really. We'd have to be of a mind to pretty much go rogue, drop out of the WTO, TheKentuckian Jan 2014 #162

"It's not a game a man is supposed to grow strong in, Jonathan..." villager Jan 2014 #26

K&R n/t NealK Jan 2014 #27

i think its about time TimeToEvolve Jan 2014 #28

And welcome to DU zeemike Jan 2014 #31

It's a scam. We have one party with two faces in order to keep... polichick Jan 2014 #63

TPP is unbelievably bad. blackspade Jan 2014 #33

More like the end of the "Western World" as previously defined. delrem Jan 2014 #34

Good points and interesting perspective which makes much sense... KoKo Jan 2014 #160

Go To DC! Do something! nt babylonsister Jan 2014 #35

I Agree, Sir: This Is 'Corporate Sovereignity', And It Is An Abomination The Magistrate Jan 2014 #37

+1 dreamnightwind Jan 2014 #161

What is supposed to be the benefit of doing this? Skip Intro Jan 2014 #39

Well, two things that I know of, truedelphi Jan 2014 #107

Sadly... KoKo Jan 2014 #159

Recommended 1000X and kicked too. Enthusiast Jan 2014 #40

They don't call it 'Globalization' for nothing. Octafish Jan 2014 #44

Interesting that the country that trades the least had the most go to the 1%. pampango Jan 2014 #45

Neat. I had not seen that. Octafish Jan 2014 #47

You are very right about the concentration of new wealth. pampango Jan 2014 #54

Selective examples. Try Singapore for a "country" that "trades the most." Like 270% of its GDP. El_Johns Jan 2014 #100

Singapore and Hong Kong are essentially city-states but your point about the importance of pampango Jan 2014 #113

Elected governments will be meaningless jsr Jan 2014 #48

Big worry. Baitball Blogger Jan 2014 #50

Just Say NO to the TPP !!!!!!!!!!!! SamKnause Jan 2014 #53

Those pesky local labor laws moondust Jan 2014 #55

Welcome to the United States of America, LLC tclambert Jan 2014 #61

Really! The American flag with the corporate logos comes to mind. polichick Jan 2014 #62

K & R AzDar Jan 2014 #67

This was the ultimate goal of world elites all along. Now resource/energy control can proceed ancianita Jan 2014 #68

Like a Houseman speech in Rollerball One_Life_To_Give Jan 2014 #70

Yes. The beginning of the end of nation-states, and the change to corporate-states. JDPriestly Jan 2014 #72

Hamlet: Seems, madam? Nay, 'tis. I know not seems. Jack Rabbit Jan 2014 #75

If you believe corporations should have extrajudicial power the TPP is for you. pa28 Jan 2014 #77

and we have to get this news in the form of a "leak", makes me wonder Phlem Jan 2014 #78

TTP = 666 sulphurdunn Jan 2014 #84

Say hello to our new soverign..... paleotn Jan 2014 #85

Was the nation-state model ever all that good? ymetca Jan 2014 #87

Will the wars of the future be between rival corporate cabals? nm rhett o rick Jan 2014 #89

Weren't they always, more or less? El_Johns Jan 2014 #102

Yes, more or less. The American Revolutionary War was between the colonies and rhett o rick Jan 2014 #156

Welcome and good comment! Mosaic Jan 2014 #94

I feel that a World Parliament would be a good first step, particularly if we want... Humanist_Activist Jan 2014 #99

You think cororate powers will promote DEMOCRACY???!!!! Bless your heart. WinkyDink Jan 2014 #110

First off no, second off, learn how to spell corporate if you want to try to be condescending... Humanist_Activist Jan 2014 #111

The US says it wants to "expand democratic values" but does the opposite solarhydrocan Jan 2014 #114

But you seem to be missing the point Armstead Jan 2014 #150

Recommend! KoKo Jan 2014 #90

Recommended. (nt) NYC_SKP Jan 2014 #95

I said this two months ago... Jasana Jan 2014 #108

Maybe that's a good sign...(i.e. more peolple paying attention now) /nt Armstead Jan 2014 #149

k&R woo me with science Jan 2014 #124

The people of the world will be so fucked if this goes through. nt City Lights Jan 2014 #153