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Igel

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36. Complementary, perhaps.
Sun Mar 18, 2012, 12:19 PM
Mar 2012

Not really a continuation.

The national-emergency govenment-continuity EOs go back to at least Kennedy. * signed one, as did every other president, and DU went bananas until this became clear. They're reasonable.

This one's also largely reasonable, although they keep expanding, as befits a Manager in Chief in the White House. (It's a role we are as happy to foist on the Presider in Chief as he is to take it. Few presidents have said, "No, I'd really like to have as little power as possible." That requires humility few politicians can evince.)

Take a rocket engine that Pratt/Whitney was licensing. It was Russo-Soviet in design. It was produced in Russia. Nifty bit of re-engineered technology: Not cutting edge, it was cheap, functional, versatile, and reusable, relying on cheap, handling-safe, and fairly non-toxic fuels. Much to commend it. But it would be used for launching US telecommunications satellites. And that meant, at some point, launching satellites used in US intelligence activities or things like the GPS or weather satellite system. To be reliant on a potential enemy for such things is problem, and it might take a few years to actually reverse engineer a similar rocket engine, design the production facilities, and get production started.

Under the authority of an EO, as authorized by a Congressional Act, the government required P/W to have a parallel production facility to the point where it could be up and running in plenty of time to meet any need for replacement engines. This meant obtaining production documents and very detailed tech specs and having them (10s of thousands of pages) translated. It meant siting a production facility and having all the EPA reports and permits on hand. It meant having the building and necessary equipment available, even in use on other production lines of less importance. If the Russians said "no" when there was a pressing need, P/W has to certify and demonstrate that it could independently meet that need.

This made the technology more expensive. It slowed things down. It's Executive interference in what's primarily a commercial activity, because government security functions might be affected. Yeah, it created American jobs--but while this was going on, there were problems with the NOAA satellite network because of too few satellites being launched, telecom resources were stretched thin, and the GPS system was threatened. In trying to ensure security, it risked a few things. The EO couldn't compel companies to meet demand when meeting demand was too expensive and would be too short-term.

More disturbing is the idea that this could be an open-ended back-door boondoggle. By using national defense as a catch-all for justifying loan guarantees to develop cutting-edge and new technologies, or even placing advance orders for them, this can easily allow, say, Chu to help firms in ways that are technologically alluring but not really so promising from either a tech or peacetime cost/benefit standpoint. Suddenly a plausible threat to national becomes not a thumb but an elbow on the cost/benefit scale, or this EO authorizing the advancing of tech initiatives that investors don't think are promising but which some political employee likes. Not that this is a problem just with this particular instantiation of the EO.

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Here it is on the Whitehouse website... Speck Tater Mar 2012 #1
"If you figure out what it says you might win a prize." Zalatix Mar 2012 #18
Suspicious KT2000 Mar 2012 #2
Nut? Glength Mar 2012 #40
We would have been screaming if BUSH had sign this EO why should we feel comfortable with Justice wanted Mar 2012 #3
OK - so some country KT2000 Mar 2012 #5
Considering our defense budget is $1.030–$1.415 trillion I have a hard time with such EOs Justice wanted Mar 2012 #12
Agree that the defense budget KT2000 Mar 2012 #17
Still. He wants to "Organize" use that defense money. I'm saying with that budget HE shouldn't Justice wanted Mar 2012 #20
You REALLY don't Get It. bvar22 Mar 2012 #34
b is for Bendeta ... I LOVE IT!!! Glength Mar 2012 #41
In 2006, My Wife & I moved to The Woods... bvar22 Mar 2012 #46
I think this is too much control in Executive Branch GregVaroz Mar 2012 #14
The ONLY way I can possible justify this is IF there is going to be a WAR with Iran. Miltary Justice wanted Mar 2012 #15
I believe it establishes a balance of power. Ziggystrange Mar 2012 #29
That is precisely my take n/t malaise Mar 2012 #39
It's not that I worry so much about how this President will use those powers . . . markpkessinger Mar 2012 #47
In varying degrees, every President since Truman has had these powers onenote Mar 2012 #48
Here is the link Ziggystrange Mar 2012 #16
Thank you. nt woo me with science Mar 2012 #35
Read it and i believe KT2000 Mar 2012 #4
I believe its just a standard renewal ... FarPoint Mar 2012 #8
This is the mother of all EO's Ziggystrange Mar 2012 #6
If that were true, who would rejoice? cthulu2016 Mar 2012 #7
Lions and Tigers and Trolls, oh my virtualobserver Mar 2012 #9
Post removed Post removed Mar 2012 #10
I am agreeing with you! One world Government! Socialism! Fascism! All at once! Tunkamerica Mar 2012 #32
The last few administrations have been enacting sweeping preparedness E.O.'s denbot Mar 2012 #11
Yeah The never ending WAR. think 1984. The Corporations, Uber-Rich and Military complex have Justice wanted Mar 2012 #13
President Obama signs Executive Order allowing for control over all US resources jakeXT Mar 2012 #19
You do realize the Examiner is owned by the wingnuttiest of wingnuts, yes? Major Nikon Mar 2012 #22
Ana Kasparian used to write there regularly alp227 Mar 2012 #37
Sorry, gotta raise the bullshit flag on this one Major Nikon Mar 2012 #21
Signed the Friday of a holiday weekend, a real "news dump" Raine Mar 2012 #23
Exactly! And St. Paddy's day weekend is the perfect time to do it Major Nikon Mar 2012 #24
This is a continuation of a EO signed by Clinton davidpdx Mar 2012 #25
I support Obama on this, you are right but there is more. Ziggystrange Mar 2012 #26
Post removed Post removed Mar 2012 #27
I was thinking something along the lines of the oil reserves as well davidpdx Mar 2012 #28
My 2 cents Ziggystrange Mar 2012 #30
Welcome to DU davidpdx Mar 2012 #38
Post removed Post removed Mar 2012 #33
I doubt that the change you highlighted is as significant as you suggest: onenote Mar 2012 #42
Complementary, perhaps. Igel Mar 2012 #36
Hunter S Thompson upi402 Mar 2012 #31
Here: ProSense Mar 2012 #43
Not really new - The MIC is the world's largest socialist enterprise FarCenter Mar 2012 #44
Among the misconceptions being spread about this EO onenote Mar 2012 #45
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