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In reply to the discussion: Thank You Internet... I Now Have A Different Understanding Of The Phrase... "Anti-Semitic"... [View all]geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)10. "anti-semitic" was coined as a phrase that meant "anti-Jewish"
as long as it has existed in popular discourse, it has one and only one meaning--prejudice/bias against Jews.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antisemitism#Etymology
Although Wilhelm Marr is generally credited with coining the word "anti-Semitism" (see below), Alex Bein writes that the word was first used in 1860 by the Austrian Jewish scholar Moritz Steinschneider in the phrase "anti-Semitic prejudices".[15] Steinschneider used this phrase to characterize Ernest Renan's ideas about how "Semitic races" were inferior to "Aryan races." These pseudo-scientific theories concerning race, civilization, and "progress" had become quite widespread in Europe in the second half of the 19th century, especially as Prussian nationalistic historian Heinrich von Treitschke did much to promote this form of racism. He coined the phrase "the Jews are our misfortune" which would later be widely used by Nazis.[16] In Treitschke's writings "Semitic" was synonymous with "Jewish", in contrast to its use by Renan and others.
In 1873 German journalist Wilhelm Marr published a pamphlet, "The Victory of the Jewish Spirit over the Germanic Spirit. Observed from a non-religious perspective." (Der Sieg des Judenthums über das Germanenthum. Vom nicht confessionellen Standpunkt aus betrachtet.)[17] in which he used the word Semitismus interchangeably with the word Judentum to denote both "Jewry" (the Jews as a collective) and "jewishness" (the quality of being Jewish, or the Jewish spirit). Although he did not use the word "Antisemitismus" in the pamphlet, the coining of the latter word followed naturally from the word Semitismus and indicated either opposition to the Jews as a people, or else opposition to Jewishness or the Jewish spirit, which he saw as infiltrating German culture. In his next pamphlet, "The Way to Victory of the Germanic Spirit over the Jewish Spirit", published in 1880, Marr developed his ideas further and coined the related German word Antisemitismus, "antisemitism", derived from the word "Semitismus" that he had earlier used.
The pamphlet became very popular, and in the same year he founded the League of Antisemites (Antisemiten-Liga), the first German organization committed specifically to combatting the alleged threat to Germany and German culture posed by the Jews and their influence, and advocating their forced removal from the country.
So far as can be ascertained, the word was first widely printed in 1881, when Marr published Zwanglose Antisemitische Hefte, and Wilhelm Scherer used the term Antisemiten in the January issue of Neue Freie Presse. The related word "semitism" was coined around 1885.
In 1873 German journalist Wilhelm Marr published a pamphlet, "The Victory of the Jewish Spirit over the Germanic Spirit. Observed from a non-religious perspective." (Der Sieg des Judenthums über das Germanenthum. Vom nicht confessionellen Standpunkt aus betrachtet.)[17] in which he used the word Semitismus interchangeably with the word Judentum to denote both "Jewry" (the Jews as a collective) and "jewishness" (the quality of being Jewish, or the Jewish spirit). Although he did not use the word "Antisemitismus" in the pamphlet, the coining of the latter word followed naturally from the word Semitismus and indicated either opposition to the Jews as a people, or else opposition to Jewishness or the Jewish spirit, which he saw as infiltrating German culture. In his next pamphlet, "The Way to Victory of the Germanic Spirit over the Jewish Spirit", published in 1880, Marr developed his ideas further and coined the related German word Antisemitismus, "antisemitism", derived from the word "Semitismus" that he had earlier used.
The pamphlet became very popular, and in the same year he founded the League of Antisemites (Antisemiten-Liga), the first German organization committed specifically to combatting the alleged threat to Germany and German culture posed by the Jews and their influence, and advocating their forced removal from the country.
So far as can be ascertained, the word was first widely printed in 1881, when Marr published Zwanglose Antisemitische Hefte, and Wilhelm Scherer used the term Antisemiten in the January issue of Neue Freie Presse. The related word "semitism" was coined around 1885.
Germans did not give a fuck about Arabs. They were obsessed with Jews.
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Thank You Internet... I Now Have A Different Understanding Of The Phrase... "Anti-Semitic"... [View all]
WillyT
Jan 2014
OP
Yes, it means bigotry against Jews AND it also means bigotry against Muslims which we've seen plenty
sabrina 1
Jan 2014
#45
Um, even under the very flawed definition that has been roundly trashed in this thread.
Kurska
Jan 2014
#51
Bigotry is bigotry regardless of terminology. 'What's in a name, a rose by any other name would
sabrina 1
Jan 2014
#72
No, it is an expression of disgust at you demanding I explain some unrelated news article to you.
Kurska
Jan 2014
#42
Well... Whatever Is On Slow Cook In Your Mind... You Could Have Just Ignored It...
WillyT
Jan 2014
#44
There's no mention of "anti-semitic" (or "semitic") in that article
muriel_volestrangler
Jan 2014
#96
'You don't support Debbie'? Good question but probably will remain unanswered.
sabrina 1
Jan 2014
#46
What I really find funny is your attempt to redefine the term "anti-Semitic"...nt
SidDithers
Jan 2014
#54
Sorry, "anti-Semitic" only refers to hatred of Jews. It doesn't mean anything else.
Spider Jerusalem
Jan 2014
#12
good grief. you're humiliating yourself. I'm sorry to see it. please stop digging. ack.
cali
Jan 2014
#105
My point is that it doesn't matter that Arabic is a Semitic language...
Spider Jerusalem
Jan 2014
#37
are you jewish? if not, you don't get to redefine what that term means
La Lioness Priyanka
Jan 2014
#21
No, you are simply incorrect as a factual matter on this. People who know more than you
geek tragedy
Jan 2014
#35
the sum of the parts do not equal the whole. this is very true of linguistics
La Lioness Priyanka
Jan 2014
#107
A Different, And Incorrect, Understanding Of The Phrase... "Anti-Semitic"...
SidDithers
Jan 2014
#31
Genuine question, do you support redefining homophobia to only mean a fear of gay people?
Kurska
Jan 2014
#53
Uhhh, relevant because it utilizes the exact same logic as your desire to redefine anti-semitic.
Kurska
Jan 2014
#61
AS someone who is unabashedly on the side on then side of the Palestinians and against Israel
Douglas Carpenter
Jan 2014
#81
different historians have different points of view on these questions. But in general it is thought
Douglas Carpenter
Jan 2014
#87
Anti-semitic means "anti-Jewish", not "anti all semitic people". As you well know. N.T.
Donald Ian Rankin
Jan 2014
#94
it's an ugly game. what's the point? Maybe that those selfish Jews are "appropriating" it.
cali
Jan 2014
#100
Willy is linguistically wrong and I told him so- but you are faking claims of anti-semitism when
Douglas Carpenter
Jan 2014
#112
It is not anti-Semitism - but racism and bigotry against Arab people is not a trivial matter.
Douglas Carpenter
Jan 2014
#114