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tiny elvis

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57. old english r was trilled (rolled)

Reply to frogmarch (Reply #32)

Sat Jan 25, 2014, 02:27 AM

Jan 2014

then the normans came and in less than one hundred years old english became middle english
french was more readily absorbed by the upper classes while the more common of two old english
dialects persisted, with lots of french, to become modern english
a trill is still used for deliberate enunciation and to distinguish class when performing shakespeare
we know from the way samuel pepys spelled words in his diary that his seventeenth century
london accent resembled eliza doolittle's
cockney drops rs
the dropped r did not come out of nowhere
it is just a piece of one accent that has become prominent

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