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gollygee

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101. Isn't this an argument Holocaust deniers give?

Sat Jan 25, 2014, 09:33 AM

Jan 2014

I'm really uncomfortable with this. I don't care what the entymology of the word is, everyone has always used it as "anti-Jewish", at least in the past 100 years or so, and to pretend it means something else is either clueless or revisionist.

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Thank You Internet... I Now Have A Different Understanding Of The Phrase... "Anti-Semitic"... [View all] WillyT Jan 2014 OP

It means hatred of jews, just like how homophobia means hatred of gays Kurska Jan 2014 #1

Lobbing the word around carelessly ... 1000words Jan 2014 #3

Are you Jewish? Kurska Jan 2014 #5

Yes 1000words Jan 2014 #8

I'll take your word that. Kurska Jan 2014 #11

There are some on these boards who prove me right 1000words Jan 2014 #19

I don't doubt it is used a rhetorical weapon. Kurska Jan 2014 #23

you learned that in your 4 months here? Mosby Jan 2014 #84

I've lurked this site pretty much from it's inception 1000words Jan 2014 #85

I've posted here for almost a decade Mosby Jan 2014 #89

LOL 1000words Jan 2014 #93

Yes, it means bigotry against Jews AND it also means bigotry against Muslims which we've seen plenty sabrina 1 Jan 2014 #45

Um, even under the very flawed definition that has been roundly trashed in this thread. Kurska Jan 2014 #51

You are correct. sabrina 1 Jan 2014 #70

The word you are looking for is arabophobia nadinbrzezinski Jan 2014 #78

Wow. Could you be any more wrong?... SidDithers Jan 2014 #55

Here it is again in case you lose your posterity: sabrina 1 Jan 2014 #58

Yes, bigotry in all it's forms is ugly... SidDithers Jan 2014 #64

Bigotry is bigotry regardless of terminology. 'What's in a name, a rose by any other name would sabrina 1 Jan 2014 #72

And you're still wrong about the meaning of anti-Semitism...nt SidDithers Jan 2014 #80

So Explain This: WillyT Jan 2014 #7

... Um I'm not your pet jew and it isn't my job to explain aipac to you. Kurska Jan 2014 #9

"Pet Jew" ??? - WTF ??? WillyT Jan 2014 #41

No, it is an expression of disgust at you demanding I explain some unrelated news article to you. Kurska Jan 2014 #42

Well... Whatever Is On Slow Cook In Your Mind... You Could Have Just Ignored It... WillyT Jan 2014 #44

Ask a relevant question receive a relevant answer. Kurska Jan 2014 #52

There's no mention of "anti-semitic" (or "semitic") in that article muriel_volestrangler Jan 2014 #96

You crack me up. That is all. nt babylonsister Jan 2014 #2

Guess Willy's Fuck AIPAC thread wasn't getting enough attention... SidDithers Jan 2014 #28

And Why Do You Find That Funny Sid... You Don't Support Debbie ??? WillyT Jan 2014 #43

'You don't support Debbie'? Good question but probably will remain unanswered. sabrina 1 Jan 2014 #46

What I really find funny is your attempt to redefine the term "anti-Semitic"...nt SidDithers Jan 2014 #54

You Still Haven't Answered The Question... WillyT Jan 2014 #60

You say that like this thread is an attempt at honest discussion...nt SidDithers Jan 2014 #65

Well I'm In Earnest... How 'Bout You ??? WillyT Jan 2014 #69

This message was self-deleted by its author WillyT Jan 2014 #4

Welp, my little personal theory was just confirmed. Kurska Jan 2014 #6

Please... Do Share... WillyT Jan 2014 #13

I'm a lot smarter than that Kurska Jan 2014 #14

"anti-semitic" was coined as a phrase that meant "anti-Jewish" geek tragedy Jan 2014 #10

So You're Gonna Let The Nazi Germans Determine What A Semite Is ??? WillyT Jan 2014 #16

now you're just trolling nt geek tragedy Jan 2014 #32

+1...nt SidDithers Jan 2014 #56

+1 nt Bonobo Jan 2014 #83

Yes,I'm siding with the Nazis. sufrommich Jan 2014 #49

Sorry, "anti-Semitic" only refers to hatred of Jews. It doesn't mean anything else. Spider Jerusalem Jan 2014 #12

"trying to minimise Arab anti-Semitism by saying "but Arabs are Semites too!" Kurska Jan 2014 #15

Explain Please... Why Are Arabs NOT Semites ??? WillyT Jan 2014 #18

No one is saying arabs aren't semites Kurska Jan 2014 #20

So... You Agree... Anti-Semitic COULD Mean Anti-Arab ??? WillyT Jan 2014 #22

If you divorce it from all historical context. Kurska Jan 2014 #24

Sorry but I have to ask this question. William769 Jan 2014 #36

It doesn't. Unless you want to argue "transphobic" means "fear of change" REP Jan 2014 #47

good grief. you're humiliating yourself. I'm sorry to see it. please stop digging. ack. cali Jan 2014 #105

Arabic is a Semitic language. Spider Jerusalem Jan 2014 #25

And Hebrew Is A Semitic Language... What's Your Point ??? WillyT Jan 2014 #34

My point is that it doesn't matter that Arabic is a Semitic language... Spider Jerusalem Jan 2014 #37

Um... Mexicans ARE American and they will tell you so. Luminous Animal Jan 2014 #95

Of course they are, that's what I said Spider Jerusalem Jan 2014 #97

Nailed it...nt SidDithers Jan 2014 #29

This is an old and tired deflection from sufrommich Jan 2014 #17

are you jewish? if not, you don't get to redefine what that term means La Lioness Priyanka Jan 2014 #21

And My Jewish Friends Do Not Get To Co-Opt What "Semitic" Means... WillyT Jan 2014 #27

In western Europe, and going back to actually nadinbrzezinski Jan 2014 #33

Good post 1000words Jan 2014 #38

You welcome nadinbrzezinski Jan 2014 #39

No, you are simply incorrect as a factual matter on this. People who know more than you geek tragedy Jan 2014 #35

the sum of the parts do not equal the whole. this is very true of linguistics La Lioness Priyanka Jan 2014 #107

this is just semantics Enrique Jan 2014 #26

Ironically... This Started Because Of THIS: (Who's Anti-Semitic NOW (LOL) ???) WillyT Jan 2014 #30

So you're not anti-semantic? Lulz. AverageJoe90 Jan 2014 #50

+1 Aerows Jan 2014 #75

A Different, And Incorrect, Understanding Of The Phrase... "Anti-Semitic"... SidDithers Jan 2014 #31

Antisemitism means anti-Jewish NuclearDem Jan 2014 #40

In The Last Century Yeah... But Trying To Apply Math/Logic To Humans... WillyT Jan 2014 #48

Genuine question, do you support redefining homophobia to only mean a fear of gay people? Kurska Jan 2014 #53

No... I've Met Many Homophobes In My Life... (Former Bouncer) WillyT Jan 2014 #57

Uhhh, relevant because it utilizes the exact same logic as your desire to redefine anti-semitic. Kurska Jan 2014 #61

Because It Seems Y'All Have Appropriated "Anti-Semitic" As Your Own... WillyT Jan 2014 #68

"Y'all"... oh my Kurska Jan 2014 #73

Now I know you were not engaging in revisionism by accident nadinbrzezinski Jan 2014 #74

To whom is 'y'all' a reference? geek tragedy Jan 2014 #77

Wow... SidDithers Jan 2014 #98

What's the difference? 1000words Jan 2014 #59

Hatred and fear are very distinct emotions. Kurska Jan 2014 #62

Really? 1000words Jan 2014 #63

Yeah, at least that is the latest I heard. Kurska Jan 2014 #66

Fascinating, indeed. 1000words Jan 2014 #67

wouldn't "homophobia" mean fear of sameness, using Willy's logic? foo_bar Jan 2014 #76

Big Fail! unrec. 840high Jan 2014 #71

Definitions aside.... stevil Jan 2014 #79

AS someone who is unabashedly on the side on then side of the Palestinians and against Israel Douglas Carpenter Jan 2014 #81

Question: Going Back How Far ??? WillyT Jan 2014 #82

I told you, going back to Classical Greece nadinbrzezinski Jan 2014 #86

different historians have different points of view on these questions. But in general it is thought Douglas Carpenter Jan 2014 #87

A pretty good summary of accepted scholarship nadinbrzezinski Jan 2014 #92

you should do a poll. Mosby Jan 2014 #88

Ooooh, how clever and disingenuous you are! Nye Bevan Jan 2014 #90

You're not the first to have chucked out this red herring. Bonobo Jan 2014 #91

Anti-semitic means "anti-Jewish", not "anti all semitic people". As you well know. N.T. Donald Ian Rankin Jan 2014 #94

it's an ugly game. what's the point? Maybe that those selfish Jews are "appropriating" it. cali Jan 2014 #100

you're remarkably cluesless and disrespectful. the word anti-semitic cali Jan 2014 #99

Isn't this an argument Holocaust deniers give? gollygee Jan 2014 #101

Yup... SidDithers Jan 2014 #102

AND all this talk about "smoking pot" is nonsense jberryhill Jan 2014 #103

A semantics argument useful only in derailing. WatermelonRat Jan 2014 #104

Why are you attempting to dilute the meaning MineralMan Jan 2014 #106

Strongly suggest self-delete (nt) Nye Bevan Jan 2014 #108

You know who is arguing over the meaning of anti-semitism? MineralMan Jan 2014 #109

Disgustingly, a jury of your DU peers support you and your anti-semitism. egduj Jan 2014 #110

look, I disagree with Willy completely on this, but he is not anti-semitic cali Jan 2014 #111

Willy is linguistically wrong and I told him so- but you are faking claims of anti-semitism when Douglas Carpenter Jan 2014 #112

It's not an entirely unreasonable conclusion regarding his motives. WatermelonRat Jan 2014 #113

It is not anti-Semitism - but racism and bigotry against Arab people is not a trivial matter. Douglas Carpenter Jan 2014 #114