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TBF

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35. The way I look at it -
Sat Jan 25, 2014, 11:54 AM
Jan 2014

Global capitalists are pushing for TPP. It will be like NAFTA only worse - many more jobs shipped wherever it is cheapest to do the work.

What this means for America: lowered standard of living across the board because it forces wages down here

I've come to the conclusion that there are a couple ways to look at this. We can try to prevent TPP and slow them down. That's step one and may work for awhile. Second, we can think about what it means for labor worldwide. There are pockets of extreme poverty that will get more jobs and pull their standard of living up.

I dunno, I kind of like the idea of borders coming down for people and areas of extreme poverty getting a better lifestyle. But as a socialist I think the efforts have to be on organizing labor (not just here - everywhere). So, to me, the important thing is to keep the internet open. In order to organize we've got to be able to communicate.

The silver lining: If we can organize labor worldwide we have a shot at taking down capitalism - there are many more of us (workers) than them (the 1% globally who control most of the wealth).

So, if we fail at slowing TPP I think we just have to ramp up our worldwide organizational efforts to organize labor.

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It will be interesting to see who drinks the Kool Aid. djean111 Jan 2014 #1
If you notice, those that disparage efforts to stop the TPP wont explain their stand. rhett o rick Jan 2014 #13
They're also the most fervent libertarian hunters. JoeyT Jan 2014 #43
At last... imthevicar Jan 2014 #48
It's Jamie Dimon, but we get the point. Scuba Jan 2014 #2
It might as well be Diamond. NuclearDem Jan 2014 #3
Blood Diamond. n/t cui bono Jan 2014 #4
Can that be his nickname? Jamie "Blood" Dimon? It fits, n'est pas? [n/t] Maedhros Jan 2014 #50
Just call him "Blood" RVN VET Jan 2014 #53
Funny, 'cause I was fantasizing that this lunch was in a prison cafeteria. Scuba Jan 2014 #5
I think there is an app for "better fantasies". Just sayin'. nm rhett o rick Jan 2014 #14
Spelling of names was never my strong suit (I type fast here) Armstead Jan 2014 #6
Of course, there's also the wonderful Bob Diamond BelgianMadCow Jan 2014 #7
It's also Penny Pritzker but we get the point. nm rhett o rick Jan 2014 #11
Good catch! Scuba Jan 2014 #12
President Oboma Armstead Jan 2014 #19
Good cop/Bad cop 1000words Jan 2014 #8
I prefer to call it Bad Cop, Worse Cop. nm rhett o rick Jan 2014 #9
I see it as Bad chief/worse cop Armstead Jan 2014 #10
Let's not have a Commerce Secretary that works with unions and small business owners. liberal_at_heart Jan 2014 #15
People Got Angry durning the GWB admin. imthevicar Jan 2014 #16
One party; two faces. Yes, when will enough people stop acting insane? polichick Jan 2014 #27
Facebooks' "From the Other 98%" put up this terrific poster: truedelphi Jan 2014 #17
This? Armstead Jan 2014 #18
Yep that poster. truedelphi Jan 2014 #20
All I can think of is Jamie Dimon's Raise and his Holiday Card of KoKo Jan 2014 #24
Did you see the response to this on facebook just read a few. Wow classykaren Jan 2014 #45
A comnbination of ignorant mean-spirited knuckleheads arguing with people who... Armstead Jan 2014 #46
K and R this topic. truedelphi Jan 2014 #21
Colin Quinn suggested they hold these summits in Haiti instead. arcane1 Jan 2014 #25
That is one great idea. n/t truedelphi Jan 2014 #55
I used to watch that Davos Stuff and find it interesting like the Aspen Fest KoKo Jan 2014 #26
Beautiful post. davidthegnome Jan 2014 #44
The billionaires think differently n2doc Jan 2014 #22
To someone not in the 0.5% bubble she sounds like an airhead. delrem Jan 2014 #23
Thanks for this thread and to everyone else contributing intelligent analysis. 2banon Jan 2014 #28
You go, Armstead Titonwan Jan 2014 #29
Nothing new, but hearing the mentality that is driving this all and our President's policies is just Titonwan Jan 2014 #30
Frustratimg and beyond sad. 840high Jan 2014 #31
But truedelphi Jan 2014 #32
We might see that with the administration of President Hillary Obama or President Barack Clintion Armstead Jan 2014 #34
I changed my party affiliation this year. CrispyQ Jan 2014 #33
I know what you mean. Voting Dem is still driving down the same road that the Republicans are A Simple Game Jan 2014 #52
The way I look at it - TBF Jan 2014 #35
I think we need to do all of the above -- snot Jan 2014 #36
Yup...Net Neutrality and TPP are among the issues that seem disconnected but are related. Armstead Jan 2014 #38
Yes - agree completely. nt TBF Jan 2014 #40
I'm not against capitalism...Just the form of Sociopathic Capitalism that's evolved Armstead Jan 2014 #37
We largely agree - TBF Jan 2014 #39
Eat ur peas me b zola Jan 2014 #41
Sorry, I got lost at the 5th dimensional level Armstead Jan 2014 #42
K & R !!! WillyT Jan 2014 #47
K&R! Phlem Jan 2014 #49
You weren't really hoping for change, were you? villager Jan 2014 #51
I was open to varying amount of change....But something, anything Armstead Jan 2014 #54
To be a Democrat or Not a Democrat MrSunNShineNYC Jan 2014 #56
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