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3. This is unacceptable in so many ways

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Sun Jan 26, 2014, 09:36 AM

Jan 2014

How many states allow the rapist to claim parental rights for the kid?

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Victim wants rapist's parental rights restricted [View all] Omaha Steve Jan 2014 OP

Disgusting, and it is preventing the woman from keeping boundaries in place..you know, Jefferson23 Jan 2014 #1

No woman should have to face her rapist or hand over her child to him. In_The_Wind Jan 2014 #2

This is unacceptable in so many ways cinnabonbon Jan 2014 #3

32 states give rapists parental rights wavesofeuphoria Jan 2014 #6

That is.... wow. cinnabonbon Jan 2014 #14

This isn't the first case. There have been several like it. nt okaawhatever Jan 2014 #34

That is patriarchy. That is rape culture. redqueen Jan 2014 #64

Where exactly is Lincoln, Iran? Dash87 Jan 2014 #4

Had she given the child up for adoption yellerpup Jan 2014 #5

good question another one along those lines, could he prevent the adoption leftyohiolib Jan 2014 #9

The answer is likely yes in most states...... Swede Atlanta Jan 2014 #17

If there aren't special condition for rape yellerpup Jan 2014 #42

the Kansas welfare department ordered the test dsc Jan 2014 #65

Thanks for that clarification. yellerpup Jan 2014 #115

He has sued himself dsc Jan 2014 #138

Too frightening to contemplate. yellerpup Jan 2014 #44

Great points! ybbor Jan 2014 #18

Welcome to DU! yellerpup Jan 2014 #43

Thanks ybbor Jan 2014 #90

Insanity. nt Demo_Chris Jan 2014 #7

What rape culture? What war on women? Nope, nope, hysterical women are just making those up, Squinch Jan 2014 #8

Hard to believe that anybody anywhere would find this acceptable ... etherealtruth Jan 2014 #12

Some more from that article... theHandpuppet Jan 2014 #16

Tampering with evidence? davidpdx Jan 2014 #103

Question 90-percent Jan 2014 #10

Welcome to the world. No. Rapists usually are not in jail. See Steubenville, Squinch Jan 2014 #13

+10000000000 redqueen Jan 2014 #67

That's what often happens gollygee Jan 2014 #19

how often does a rapist do 20 years? Rarely. bettyellen Jan 2014 #27

I've found that when people rape children, particularly boys, the sentencing is much harsher. nt justiceischeap Jan 2014 #32

absolutely- although there has been more victim blaming lately toward young girls bettyellen Jan 2014 #33

A quick Google news search reveals many, many long rape sentences. Comrade Grumpy Jan 2014 #38

Why would you want to obfuscate the truth about rape sentencing? Avg time served is is 5 1/2 years. bettyellen Jan 2014 #39

I did exactly what I said I did, a Google news search for "rape sentence." Comrade Grumpy Jan 2014 #41

and gave us deceptive information about jail time for rape? pulling a list off google tells us bettyellen Jan 2014 #46

Then you should likewise toss out the "rape" cases of 18-year-olds having sex with 15-year-olds El_Johns Jan 2014 #51

look at his list with facts of the crimes added�� there is no consent going on anywhere, and if you bettyellen Jan 2014 #53

Statutory rape = rape under the law. El_Johns Jan 2014 #57

yeah, and if you disagree with the current laws in various states, go for it- but this is a DERAIL bettyellen Jan 2014 #61

Statutory rape is part of those statistics. You want to take out the ones that involve serious El_Johns Jan 2014 #62

since you haven't "figured out" what prototypical "rape" actually IS, I am out of here, and YOU bettyellen Jan 2014 #63

I haven't figured out what *your* prototypical rape case is. El_Johns Jan 2014 #75

life was ONLY given for having three felony convictions�. scraping the bottom of the barrel to TRY bettyellen Jan 2014 #78

Still trying to whittle away to what *your* prototypical rape case is... El_Johns Jan 2014 #84

the context is sentencing for raping women- not minors, not kidnapping, not "three strikes" felony bettyellen Jan 2014 #86

I didn't mention the Innocence Project because the Innocence of the men who got life sentences El_Johns Jan 2014 #88

I define rape as the law does. It was you who felt adding kidnapping charges was no biggie, LOL. bettyellen Jan 2014 #91

You said rapists don't get life sentences. They do. You also complained because the average El_Johns Jan 2014 #92

Not if it's only a rape charge, nope. Kidnapping can only be a few feet because that's bettyellen Jan 2014 #93

Is raping someone in a house or car worse than raping them in the bushes? Worse to the El_Johns Jan 2014 #95

The criminal sentences you cited were NOT for rape... bettyellen Jan 2014 #100

Uh, yes, they were. You can accuse me of all the made-up stuff you want; it's because El_Johns Jan 2014 #105

Are you familiar with this field called 'statistics?' geek tragedy Jan 2014 #50

look below you, his "list" is bullshit. anything over 7 years had additional charges that show up in bettyellen Jan 2014 #54

"Statistics," you say? Comrade Grumpy Jan 2014 #107

The question was whether they frequently serve 20 years. geek tragedy Jan 2014 #111

god forbid anyone stay in the context of the thread- instead of derail with examples of bettyellen Jan 2014 #125

I did google mercuryblues Jan 2014 #132

I got almost the same list- all very short term sentences. bettyellen Jan 2014 #146

every crime you listed to refute me was NOT MERELY RAPE. Wow, it takes a lot of nerve to pretend bettyellen Jan 2014 #52

I said I did a Google news search for "rape sentence" and that was the result. Comrade Grumpy Jan 2014 #106

No, the words kidnapping and minor were in all the summaries. bettyellen Jan 2014 #108

Andrew Luster, Max Factor heir OwnedByCats Jan 2014 #114

Yeah, it takes multiple felonies. Has absolutely nothing to do with the context of this thread... bettyellen Jan 2014 #123

I was on your side OwnedByCats Jan 2014 #141

And I was agreeing, and never "attacked you". my post said nothing about you. bettyellen Jan 2014 #145

Sounded very OwnedByCats Jan 2014 #148

Thanks- was not meant to be sarcastic at all bettyellen Jan 2014 #149

No problem OwnedByCats Jan 2014 #150

Perhaps those results show up in the search results Revanchist Jan 2014 #74

how about providing the actual links to those sentences. that would be helpful to know axactly niyad Jan 2014 #76

I googled for him, they all include minors, kidnapping or are bettyellen Jan 2014 #94

and I thank you for going into that cesspool for us. knew there was a lot more involved than niyad Jan 2014 #97

It turned into a cesspool- now it's unfair to charge someone with kidnapping.... bettyellen Jan 2014 #102

Or when the rapist is nonwhite, and the victim is white. redqueen Jan 2014 #66

good point those sentences will be longer! but look at this list I was given as a sampling of bettyellen Jan 2014 #71

I don't live very far from that incident that happened in Syracuse OwnedByCats Jan 2014 #116

I don't think the late George Orwell could dream of the scenario this woman faces. kairos12 Jan 2014 #11

Sometimes there simply are no words... theHandpuppet Jan 2014 #15

"make it more difficult"??? there should be NO WAY a rapist should EVER have "parental rights" niyad Jan 2014 #20

Out curiosity, how do you feel about a case like this? NobodyHere Jan 2014 #59

What about that poster's post made you curious to ask that? n/t kcr Jan 2014 #79

The courts are fucked up about this, and it's just more proof. bettyellen Jan 2014 #109

Well this is a good reason to have an abortion if you get raped. gollygee Jan 2014 #21

That would be my advice at this point to any women in my family. It's bad enough... stevenleser Jan 2014 #24

don't forget that some woman-hating fool in nm is trying to make it a crime to have an abortion niyad Jan 2014 #80

A conviction for sexual assault that results in a birth should terminate parental rights stevenleser Jan 2014 #22

I like that idea davidpdx Jan 2014 #104

So continuing and state-required rape is the law? mbperrin Jan 2014 #23

Ummm NobodyHere Jan 2014 #58

I suppose some case for simple biological similarities, DNA, and the like mbperrin Jan 2014 #68

That "judge" needs to go! What a mockery of justice that asshole is. L0oniX Jan 2014 #25

Then doesn't this also mean a Victim can't sue for child support? Heather MC Jan 2014 #26

Yes. lumberjack_jeff Jan 2014 #29

It would be so much easier if there were no rapist Heather MC Jan 2014 #30

Nebraska is proposing removing rights, but still requiring child support. tammywammy Jan 2014 #35

Termination of parental rights alone in most states does not end the obligation of child support n/t kcr Jan 2014 #83

Not necessarily. Jim Lane Jan 2014 #112

"Child support is for the benefit of the child" Not really Heather MC Jan 2014 #117

Yes, really kcr Jan 2014 #118

Let me tell you what happened to people I know and stories I have read Heather MC Jan 2014 #119

Sorry. kcr Jan 2014 #120

I never said Abolish Child Support, but it is a hot mess Heather MC Jan 2014 #121

I'd believe it kcr Jan 2014 #122

I think you're both right. Jim Lane Jan 2014 #126

To clarify, I'm not arguing that there are never screw ups. Nothing is perfect. kcr Jan 2014 #127

A friend of mine took custody of his kid, but didn't want to pay to remove child support joeglow3 Jan 2014 #128

What would the value of removing child support kcr Jan 2014 #129

It shows lack of commone sense in much of government joeglow3 Jan 2014 #130

I thought you said he didn't want to pay to remove it? kcr Jan 2014 #131

Here is the story joeglow3 Jan 2014 #134

Well, no. I'm sorry kcr Jan 2014 #135

BOTH parties contacted the state and had notarized statements joeglow3 Jan 2014 #136

Your contention is they couldn't afford to go to court and get it sorted out. kcr Jan 2014 #137

I agree. It shouldn't. joeglow3 Jan 2014 #144

No, I'm telling you, there's no reason it would cost thousands of dollars. kcr Jan 2014 #147

They let a sex offender share the child? tblue Jan 2014 #28

You nailed it! You win the thread. n/t freshwest Jan 2014 #40

THANK YOU! DeadLetterOffice Jan 2014 #60

This is a complex issue. Rape is a horrible crime and can lead to all sorts of trauma Dustlawyer Jan 2014 #31

Not complex for rational people. False rape convictions are more rare than deaths by lightning. geek tragedy Jan 2014 #48

that isn't even remotely close to being true dsc Jan 2014 #72

Only 1/750,000 sexual acts results geek tragedy Jan 2014 #82

that is an absurd way to look at it dsc Jan 2014 #85

1000 per year, accusations not convictions. geek tragedy Jan 2014 #96

you are moving the goalposts here dsc Jan 2014 #139

Well, we moved the goal posts when moving from geek tragedy Jan 2014 #140

I think if you are going to lecture people about statistics dsc Jan 2014 #142

which comparison do you want? geek tragedy Jan 2014 #143

If he thinks he's innocent, which he very likely is not, he can appeal the conviction. Gravitycollapse Jan 2014 #56

You said it well. mbperrin Jan 2014 #70

On what planet is it in a child's best interest to hang out with her mother's rapist? LeftyMom Jan 2014 #69

false convictions are a totally different issue- and one you should advocate for- ELSEWHERE. bettyellen Jan 2014 #73

What a stupid fucking judge! Enthusiast Jan 2014 #36

Or a judge who was forced to apply the law as written. Igel Jan 2014 #37

the judge has discretion based on the best interests of the child. geek tragedy Jan 2014 #49

If republicans have their way... mstinamotorcity2 Jan 2014 #45

why is this an issue in the first place ? JI7 Jan 2014 #47

Why would they support her? She doesn't have a fetus anymore. nt valerief Jan 2014 #55

A disgusting misapplication of judicial disgression. blackspade Jan 2014 #77

Get this... Winning1 Jan 2014 #81

welcome to du niyad Jan 2014 #98

Thank you, Winning1 Feb 2014 #151

sorry to offend, but DonCoquixote Jan 2014 #87

"the handmaid's tale" is almost here. niyad Jan 2014 #99

I don't care if your pro-life or not, 1awake Jan 2014 #89

A rapist should have no parental rights RainDog Jan 2014 #101

Nebraska, like most states, doesn't have a law stripping those rights. Xithras Jan 2014 #110

Your post makes most sense goldent Jan 2014 #124

They do in cases of first degree sexual assault, if the article is correct. sl8 Jan 2014 #133

Totally disgusting OwnedByCats Jan 2014 #113