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In reply to the discussion: You know, of course, that the TPP is already a done deal., But we should fight it anyway. [View all]solarhydrocan
(551 posts)38. It's an agreement not a treaty. You can see this by looking at the title of the agreement.
Difference Between Treaty and Executive Agreement
Treaty vs Executive Agreement
Treaties and executive agreements are tools under domestic laws. These procedures allow the U.S. to emerge as a party in an international agreement.
Treaty
Treaties are international agreements which are described under Article II, Section 2, Clause 2 of the Constitution. A treaty is forced in relation to the U.S. as an international agreement only after a two-thirds majority of the U.S. Senate has been advised and consented.
These agreements are in relation to peace or trade-related foreign policies. The treaties are international agreements and are equally binding under domestic laws. A treaty is a formal agreement made by the President of the U.S. It is carried over to the successive officeholders.
According to current statistics, the U.S. is party to about 900 treaties. This number is much less than the number of executive agreements. One reason for this difference may be the mandatory two-thirds vote required which is applicable for a treaty. Another probable reason is the contacts and relations of the U.S. with foreign countries....snip
...Congressional agreement
This is the most common type of executive agreement. The Congressional agreement requires approval by the Senate and the House of Representatives. This procedure is taken when a two-thirds vote in the Senate seems unlikely.
Sole agreement
A sole agreement does not involve the Senate and is signed by the President.
At present, the U.S. is party to at least 5,000 executive agreements. They account for about 90% of all the international agreements signed by the U.S.
Summary:
1.A treaty requires a two-thirds vote in the Senate while an executive agreement does not.
2.A treaty is a formal agreement while an executive agreement is not as formal as a treaty.
3.A treaty is carried on to the successive Presidents while an executive agreement has to be renegotiated every time.
4.An executive agreement is of two types while a treaty is not.
5.A President may invoke an executive agreement but not a treaty.
6.There are many more executive agreements as compared to treaties.
http://www.differencebetween.net/language/words-language/difference-between-treaty-and-executive-agreement/
Treaties and executive agreements are tools under domestic laws. These procedures allow the U.S. to emerge as a party in an international agreement.
Treaty
Treaties are international agreements which are described under Article II, Section 2, Clause 2 of the Constitution. A treaty is forced in relation to the U.S. as an international agreement only after a two-thirds majority of the U.S. Senate has been advised and consented.
These agreements are in relation to peace or trade-related foreign policies. The treaties are international agreements and are equally binding under domestic laws. A treaty is a formal agreement made by the President of the U.S. It is carried over to the successive officeholders.
According to current statistics, the U.S. is party to about 900 treaties. This number is much less than the number of executive agreements. One reason for this difference may be the mandatory two-thirds vote required which is applicable for a treaty. Another probable reason is the contacts and relations of the U.S. with foreign countries....snip
...Congressional agreement
This is the most common type of executive agreement. The Congressional agreement requires approval by the Senate and the House of Representatives. This procedure is taken when a two-thirds vote in the Senate seems unlikely.
Sole agreement
A sole agreement does not involve the Senate and is signed by the President.
At present, the U.S. is party to at least 5,000 executive agreements. They account for about 90% of all the international agreements signed by the U.S.
Summary:
1.A treaty requires a two-thirds vote in the Senate while an executive agreement does not.
2.A treaty is a formal agreement while an executive agreement is not as formal as a treaty.
3.A treaty is carried on to the successive Presidents while an executive agreement has to be renegotiated every time.
4.An executive agreement is of two types while a treaty is not.
5.A President may invoke an executive agreement but not a treaty.
6.There are many more executive agreements as compared to treaties.
http://www.differencebetween.net/language/words-language/difference-between-treaty-and-executive-agreement/
This was made common knowledge when Al Gore and Clinton were ramming NAFTA down the throats of the commoners and congress.
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You know, of course, that the TPP is already a done deal., But we should fight it anyway. [View all]
Armstead
Jan 2014
OP
of course it's a done deal, but you are damn right that we should not shut up and take it.
liberal_at_heart
Jan 2014
#1
Well, first we need to see what it says. And it won't be ratified before it is made
MADem
Jan 2014
#2
The admin is talking "fast track" while the people are in the dark. That's the problem.
delrem
Jan 2014
#4
What is the definition of a fast track? Haven't we been batting this thing around for three years,
MADem
Jan 2014
#12
But the point I am making is that there's pushback from the House on this score, for starters.
MADem
Jan 2014
#16
We have to be able to read it, though, first. They can't vote on it before it is published.
MADem
Jan 2014
#24
It will have to be published and then 'read' (or have had the "waive reading" thing done)
MADem
Jan 2014
#27
It's an agreement not a treaty. You can see this by looking at the title of the agreement.
solarhydrocan
Jan 2014
#38
OK, so the full Congress votes on this thing--and it expires with every President?
MADem
Jan 2014
#61
They won't give Obama fast track authority. In unlikely event they did, and the agreement included
Hoyt
Jan 2014
#47
NAFTA has been an environmental disaster, and it doesn't pretend to do what the leaks suggest
JDPriestly
Jan 2014
#6
Please explain to me--and everyone else here who doesn't see what you seem to be suggesting is
MADem
Jan 2014
#11
The Trans-Pacific Partnership treaty is the complete opposite of 'free trade'
solarhydrocan
Jan 2014
#13
That article, though it is a few months old, has more answers in it than I've been able to
MADem
Jan 2014
#15
Apparently--and ain't it something what you find once ya start digging--Congress can SEE the drafts,
MADem
Jan 2014
#73
My understanding is that fast tracking means allowing an up or down vote only on the TPP, no changes
nenagh
Jan 2014
#20
Wait, wait, wait--I wasn't talking about the crafters of NAFTA, I was talking about the
MADem
Jan 2014
#57
But not if we want to answer China. And the more I think on it, that's what I think the goal is,
MADem
Jan 2014
#71
151 House Dems Telling President They Will Not Support Outdated Fast Track
Bluenorthwest
Jan 2014
#32
One of several reasons I simply no longer get excited about electing Democrats. nt
Demo_Chris
Jan 2014
#31
There is concerted opposition to this on the Democratic side, Republicans and Blue Dogs
Bluenorthwest
Jan 2014
#34