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You know, of course, that the TPP is already a done deal., But we should fight it anyway. [View all] Armstead Jan 2014 OP

of course it's a done deal, but you are damn right that we should not shut up and take it. liberal_at_heart Jan 2014 #1

Well, first we need to see what it says. And it won't be ratified before it is made MADem Jan 2014 #2

The admin is talking "fast track" while the people are in the dark. That's the problem. delrem Jan 2014 #4

Super fast track, the thing has only been in negotiations since 2010. Hoyt Jan 2014 #8

What is the definition of a fast track? Haven't we been batting this thing around for three years, MADem Jan 2014 #12

My God you need some help with this. Elwood P Dowd Jan 2014 #14

But the point I am making is that there's pushback from the House on this score, for starters. MADem Jan 2014 #16

When there is "fast track"... ReRe Jan 2014 #18

We have to be able to read it, though, first. They can't vote on it before it is published. MADem Jan 2014 #24

You might as well get aboard the protest wagon... ReRe Jan 2014 #25

It will have to be published and then 'read' (or have had the "waive reading" thing done) MADem Jan 2014 #27

The TPP like NAFTA is NOT a TREATY solarhydrocan Jan 2014 #28

So, if it's not a treaty, who "not ratifies" it, then? MADem Jan 2014 #30

Will it necessarily be up on Thomas before being voted on? MH1 Jan 2014 #37

It's an agreement not a treaty. You can see this by looking at the title of the agreement. solarhydrocan Jan 2014 #38

OK, so the full Congress votes on this thing--and it expires with every President? MADem Jan 2014 #61

They won't give Obama fast track authority. In unlikely event they did, and the agreement included Hoyt Jan 2014 #47

If Congresspeople can be believed... Chan790 Jan 2014 #33

Exactly. Hoyt Jan 2014 #48

Most of them have been done that way Armstead Jan 2014 #39

FTA and NAFTA were debated in Canada. Elections fought over them. Not secret. delrem Jan 2014 #54

I remember the Canadian debate..and the protests in the US Armstead Jan 2014 #55

NAFTA has been an environmental disaster, and it doesn't pretend to do what the leaks suggest JDPriestly Jan 2014 #6

So, what is your solution? We no longer enter into any world-wide partnerships? MADem Jan 2014 #9

So you want more world-wide partnerships Elwood P Dowd Jan 2014 #10

Please explain to me--and everyone else here who doesn't see what you seem to be suggesting is MADem Jan 2014 #11

The Trans-Pacific Partnership treaty is the complete opposite of 'free trade' solarhydrocan Jan 2014 #13

That article, though it is a few months old, has more answers in it than I've been able to MADem Jan 2014 #15

What is in those other 24 chapters of the TPP agreement? ReRe Jan 2014 #19

Dunno....no one else does either, I'm starting to think. MADem Jan 2014 #22

MADem... ReRe Jan 2014 #26

Congress is "allowed" to talk about pretty much anything they'd like. MADem Jan 2014 #29

They have talked about these agreements Armstead Jan 2014 #40

Apparently--and ain't it something what you find once ya start digging--Congress can SEE the drafts, MADem Jan 2014 #73

My understanding is that fast tracking means allowing an up or down vote only on the TPP, no changes nenagh Jan 2014 #20

I'm in the same boat--just trying to get a few details, here. MADem Jan 2014 #23

You're right but you're wrong Armstead Jan 2014 #44

Wait, wait, wait--I wasn't talking about the crafters of NAFTA, I was talking about the MADem Jan 2014 #57

Too many are naive and apathetic Armstead Jan 2014 #59

Well, free trade is a complex matter. MADem Jan 2014 #70

"We The People were naive." bvar22 Jan 2014 #64

Sorry, but "We The People" were, apparently, naive. MADem Jan 2014 #65

MaDEM, Here is the problem in a nutshell Armstead Jan 2014 #42

Well, generally speaking, I agree with what you are saying, simplistic or not. MADem Jan 2014 #60

These take the wrong approach Armstead Jan 2014 #67

But not if we want to answer China. And the more I think on it, that's what I think the goal is, MADem Jan 2014 #71

"Demopublicans" indeed. Alas. villager Jan 2014 #3

Demopublicans Phlem Jan 2014 #5

NO, it is NOT a "done deal". jazzimov Jan 2014 #7

This message was self-deleted by its author Armstead Jan 2014 #45

Because those 85 people who own the same tblue Jan 2014 #17

151 House Dems Telling President They Will Not Support Outdated Fast Track Bluenorthwest Jan 2014 #32

K&R'd. snot Jan 2014 #21

One of several reasons I simply no longer get excited about electing Democrats. nt Demo_Chris Jan 2014 #31

There is concerted opposition to this on the Democratic side, Republicans and Blue Dogs Bluenorthwest Jan 2014 #34

Yes, but as always the "opposition" is safe... Demo_Chris Jan 2014 #35

12 Democratic Senators send Reid a letter opposing the Fast Track..... Bluenorthwest Jan 2014 #43

Now THIS adds to the discussion....!!!! Thank you for digging this up. MADem Jan 2014 #72

We can stop it. We must stop it. Enthusiast Jan 2014 #36

LOL RB TexLa Jan 2014 #41

LOL. Hoyt Jan 2014 #50

not yet, it's not. close to a done deal, yeah. a truly done deal. no. and I daresay cali Jan 2014 #46

Depends on how one defines a done deal Armstead Jan 2014 #49

Actually, I think the Tea Party loons might help us here in the House. Marr Jan 2014 #51

is there a trade deal that hasn't been a done deal? G_j Jan 2014 #52

Oh, yeah it needs to be opposed. And just like the HRC... socialist_n_TN Jan 2014 #53

Would be a refreshing change it it were to be dropped Armstead Jan 2014 #56

just the suggestion that it is a "done deal" restorefreedom Jan 2014 #66

Yep and that's the point ....... socialist_n_TN Jan 2014 #74

No, it is not inevitable jsr Jan 2014 #58

This author doesn't want positive..where's the doom & gloom? great white snark Jan 2014 #62

Sure. Everything is hunky dory. Jakes Progress Jan 2014 #63

Oh you had to bring Nader into it Armstead Jan 2014 #68

Don't know it's a done deal yet, but when it is, then what? Cleita Jan 2014 #69

I hope not. blackspade Jan 2014 #75

No, TPP is not a done deal - we can stop it Distant Quasar Jan 2014 #76