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Bjorn Against

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63. No they do not have the authority to deny a license for "all sorts of reasons"

Sun Jan 26, 2014, 04:27 PM

Jan 2014

You may have played the gotcha game and found a rarely used exception in which they can deny a marriage license, but the circumstances in which a state can deny a marriage license is extremely limited, there are not "all sorts of reasons" they can deny it like you claim.

You suggest I substitute gay couples or interracial couples for a brother and a sister, well guess what? When I apply that substitution the state can no longer deny their marriage, they are required by law to issue them a marriage license.

Honestly I could care less whether they legalize brother and sister marriage, but I don't feel it is worth my effort to fight for the right to marry a family member. There are only so many issues I can take on and that one is pretty low on my list of priorities. If you want to take up that crusade go ahead, I won't stop you.

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Lawmakers Consider Preventing ALL Marriage In Oklahoma [View all] MrScorpio Jan 2014 OP

Better yet, if their honest belief is that SheilaT Jan 2014 #1

It probably is how they feel, but still runs afoul of the legal issues. sir pball Jan 2014 #4

Absolutely. SheilaT Jan 2014 #10

Something else could be added to that list. theHandpuppet Jan 2014 #12

Yay! That would prohibit me from marriage. Chan790 Jan 2014 #20

I don't understand what they're trying to do TlalocW Jan 2014 #2

they can't prevent churches from performing religious marriage ceremonies unblock Jan 2014 #3

Would that dissolve all existing marriages in the State too? sir pball Jan 2014 #5

no, but it would eliminate state benefits and such. unblock Jan 2014 #6

It probably would. sir pball Jan 2014 #9

New state motto: "Oklahoma, the Batshit Crazy State" Comrade Grumpy Jan 2014 #7

Stupid must be in the Oklahoma water. MoonRiver Jan 2014 #8

They should try this in as many states as possible. nyquil_man Jan 2014 #11

Turner's reading the Virginia segregationists' old playbook: struggle4progress Jan 2014 #13

Not a bad idea Major Nikon Jan 2014 #14

+1 NobodyHere Jan 2014 #16

Not a bad idea unless you're at all progressive kcr Jan 2014 #24

Many people have tried to make this argument, few of them have really thought it through Bjorn Against Jan 2014 #15

The tax code is modified continuously by every legislative session in every state in the union Major Nikon Jan 2014 #17

Rewriting laws requires a lot more than using a search and replace Bjorn Against Jan 2014 #18

They require a legislative vote and a signature Major Nikon Jan 2014 #21

You quite simply have no clue what you are talking about Bjorn Against Jan 2014 #23

Neither do you evidently Major Nikon Jan 2014 #25

So if what you are proposing does not end all marriages what does it do? Bjorn Against Jan 2014 #26

You don't seem to be able to recognize the difference between private and governmental entities Major Nikon Jan 2014 #28

So you are essentially advocating for privatizing marriage Bjorn Against Jan 2014 #29

It already is private Major Nikon Jan 2014 #30

Marriage law is not private, marriages require a state issued marriage license under current law. Bjorn Against Jan 2014 #31

The key word here is law and not marriage Major Nikon Jan 2014 #33

Well if the law were changed as you suggest it should be you would see it is not quite so simple Bjorn Against Jan 2014 #34

As I said before Major Nikon Jan 2014 #35

Link me to a Noam Chomsky piece in which he calls for the privatization of marriage Bjorn Against Jan 2014 #36

That wasn't my claim Major Nikon Jan 2014 #39

Your citations are completely irrelevent to the issue at hand Bjorn Against Jan 2014 #43

Well what do you know, I found a quote from Chomsky about marriage Bjorn Against Jan 2014 #49

That's not what he's saying nor is it what I'm saying Major Nikon Jan 2014 #52

For your info here are Chomsky's views on privatization Bjorn Against Jan 2014 #38

Chomsky is talking about the means of production Major Nikon Jan 2014 #40

He was talking about privatization Bjorn Against Jan 2014 #41

I've already provided his quote Major Nikon Jan 2014 #42

You provided a quote which had nothing to do with the issue at hand Bjorn Against Jan 2014 #44

As if it wasn't clear enough I already explained to you why I mentioned Chomsky Major Nikon Jan 2014 #46

You mentioned Chomsky in a way that completely misrepresents him Bjorn Against Jan 2014 #47

You were speaking out against "privatization" of marriage Major Nikon Jan 2014 #48

Marriage licenses are a public service, your own words prove that Bjorn Against Jan 2014 #50

A license is an authorization Major Nikon Jan 2014 #51

I do understand it, and I think you are totally wrong Bjorn Against Jan 2014 #54

A license is not a contract Major Nikon Jan 2014 #55

Did you seriously just compare getting a dog to getting married? Bjorn Against Jan 2014 #56

Do you really have to be this disingenuous? Major Nikon Jan 2014 #57

A license replaces the need for a contract Bjorn Against Jan 2014 #59

You are describing the need for a contract Major Nikon Jan 2014 #60

You are the one who brought up incest Bjorn Against Jan 2014 #61

Actually your state is the one that brought it up Major Nikon Jan 2014 #62

No they do not have the authority to deny a license for "all sorts of reasons" Bjorn Against Jan 2014 #63

I don't agree Major Nikon Jan 2014 #64

The state can not deny marriage rights to left handed people Bjorn Against Jan 2014 #65

You shouldn't conflate authority and laws Major Nikon Jan 2014 #66

I think most people reading this thread will see who is intellectually bankrupt, and it is not me Bjorn Against Jan 2014 #67

You're not married, are you? There are health and financial issues also to consider. WinkyDink Jan 2014 #19

I am Major Nikon Jan 2014 #22

Oklahoma's new state motto: Better Dead Than Wed Fumesucker Jan 2014 #27

I bet businesses in the wedding business might Ilsa Jan 2014 #32

I've always thought that civil unions ought to legitimize partnerships. Laffy Kat Jan 2014 #37

++ FarCenter Jan 2014 #45

Hospital visitation rights, ZombieHorde Jan 2014 #53

Well that would be one way to reduce avebury Jan 2014 #58