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AtheistCrusader

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67. Of course.

Mon Jan 27, 2014, 10:48 AM

Jan 2014

And that's why he's in a jail cell right now.

Could use some PSA's though, because this sort of misconception does seem to happen often enough to warrant it. Deadly force in self defense is a LAST resort, and wholly inappropriate to defend mere property. (Except in Texas under some circumstances, apparently. Not in most states)

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Gun Nut Kills Two Innocent Neighbors On Their Own Property [View all] onehandle Jan 2014 OP

Gun nuts have tried to stretch the definition of "self defense" to absurd proportions Bjorn Against Jan 2014 #1

This is the problem with how faux news and all the right-wing talkers fill up these people's minds gtar100 Jan 2014 #7

Exactly, they beat the drums of delusions and paranoia non-stop. It's enough to drive RKP5637 Jan 2014 #36

I so agree with you so ! Tumbulu Jan 2014 #213

Hey cut the guy some slack! AAO Jan 2014 #157

Right. And people that trespass are up to no good. Enthusiast Jan 2014 #176

Especially if they trespass on their own land! AAO Jan 2014 #177

Just don't drink the water and don't do a bunch of other stuff or you might get shot. Enthusiast Jan 2014 #179

WV is another state I won't be setting foot in anytime soon. AlbertCat Jan 2014 #194

I've written some states off my list to ever be in. I've been in most of the US and RKP5637 Jan 2014 #206

I had some relatives that moved there. The people in the remote area RKP5637 Jan 2014 #202

Just judging by the pics, shooter looks white, victims are black. tblue Jan 2014 #207

I thought that as well nt Tumbulu Jan 2014 #214

And the state of the law. sulphurdunn Jan 2014 #221

Of course. AtheistCrusader Jan 2014 #67

The big problem is that many gun advocates encourage "self defense" shootings Bjorn Against Jan 2014 #73

But, how to tell the difference, before hand? AtheistCrusader Jan 2014 #82

You just pointed out the two main reasons people want very strict gun control BrotherIvan Jan 2014 #137

I don't think he was scared at all. AtheistCrusader Jan 2014 #140

I would agree with everything you said in this post except the word "adequate" Bjorn Against Jan 2014 #141

I am a strong proponent of those as a workable solution to most of our problems with AtheistCrusader Jan 2014 #149

I think stand your ground laws need to go away and concealed carry needs to be more limited Bjorn Against Jan 2014 #151

I Think a Man Should Be Able to bkanderson76 Jan 2014 #161

Stand by his virtue? What the hell does that even mean? Bjorn Against Jan 2014 #169

Notice that this billh58 Jan 2014 #186

I know, it is pathetic isn't it? Bjorn Against Jan 2014 #189

I guess the gun makes the man, the bigger the gun, the bigger the man, the bigger his dick. RKP5637 Jan 2014 #209

I had a very good discussion on another thread BrotherIvan Jan 2014 #187

Shooter allegedly used a scoped rifle to fire the shots out a window of his home. tblue Jan 2014 #208

In Florida you do not have to do anything except pull your gun and kill. jtuck004 Jan 2014 #158

But you should still have to show reasonable fear. AtheistCrusader Jan 2014 #162

No suggesting he did, that's just the law. But it doesn't specify that you have to be or not jtuck004 Jan 2014 #171

The killing does need to be justified. ManiacJoe Jan 2014 #170

What doesn't matter are the opinions. The person will be tried, or jtuck004 Jan 2014 #173

Well, that is one opinion. ManiacJoe Jan 2014 #174

Ditto lsewpershad Jan 2014 #79

"Give a small boy a hammer, and he will find that everything he encounters needs pounding." Major Nikon Jan 2014 #90

Just following the example set by Law Enforcement FreakinDJ Jan 2014 #115

I agree that law enforcement stretches that definition as well Bjorn Against Jan 2014 #118

I'm pretty sure even the shooter knew they weren't "tresspassing" Blue_Tires Jan 2014 #184

This "should" go on national news.... FarPoint Jan 2014 #2

Sadly, it will get buried and forgotten along with the victims, no lessons learned, and the RKP5637 Jan 2014 #42

Maybe we can help keep it out front in the news by forwarding the story to FB, TWitter, and other kelliekat44 Jan 2014 #48

Definitely! On another note, I just heard a statistic - no links, that every hour of the RKP5637 Jan 2014 #52

Back in school in the early 80s, it was pretty normal to see rifles in truck gunracks in the school 7962 Jan 2014 #84

Yep, much as when I grew up, hunters had guns with them, racks in the truck, etc. I can't RKP5637 Jan 2014 #98

gun culture has changed hollowdweller Jan 2014 #200

Well said, agree so much! n/t RKP5637 Jan 2014 #201

how many of these ignorant gun humpers know they're not allowed to kill geek tragedy Jan 2014 #3

Be careful Capt. Obvious Jan 2014 #4

And these news stories too seveneyes Jan 2014 #19

Feel free to start threads for those stories Capt. Obvious Jan 2014 #23

Yes, isn't it disgusting how many deaths guns cause? Bjorn Against Jan 2014 #26

This shooter would have likely failed any gun ownership test seveneyes Jan 2014 #27

Well then they need to start administering these tests so people like him can't get guns Bjorn Against Jan 2014 #28

Agree 100 percent seveneyes Jan 2014 #40

Same here, as demonstrated over and over again, the US is full of wackos that should RKP5637 Jan 2014 #46

Message auto-removed Name removed Jan 2014 #68

It's a very good question. Often, I think, a lot of people are on the edge for RKP5637 Jan 2014 #95

Throughout most of the 20th century the law permitted the use of deadly force Swede Atlanta Jan 2014 #5

What a gun humping wacko, I hope he never sees the daylight of freedom again. Rex Jan 2014 #6

They have a 'reason'. Same reason why they hunt and kill animals. they like to bonniebgood Jan 2014 #13

Power. The power of life and death over another living being. magical thyme Jan 2014 #32

Quite true IMO. I think if pschological profiles were done for some cases it is clearly RKP5637 Jan 2014 #50

Because it's a form of sexual excitement for them, seriously. n/t RKP5637 Jan 2014 #47

SMH Mr Dixon Jan 2014 #8

You have to be really deranged get the red out Jan 2014 #9

That's what it's about. Selling more guns kcr Jan 2014 #14

Yes and it is devistating get the red out Jan 2014 #70

Exactly. It is not bloodlust or penis compensation or whatever driving this, it is money Tom Ripley Jan 2014 #120

The NRA is indeed a big part of the problem. They promote guns as a cure, A Simple Game Jan 2014 #22

There are a few million billh58 Jan 2014 #10

The Zimmerman case has made this insane concept "acceptable". FarPoint Jan 2014 #15

I was thinking that earlier today, it's getting so murder is no big deal, I even notice it RKP5637 Jan 2014 #210

Just another wonderful day in Gun World. TheCowsCameHome Jan 2014 #11

'Merica! Dash87 Jan 2014 #12

Just across the river exboyfil Jan 2014 #16

Yes, but in this case no property crime had been committed. PotatoChip Jan 2014 #41

I am not trying to justify it exboyfil Jan 2014 #113

"not sure he could have lived with the guilt." geek tragedy Jan 2014 #45

Not necessarily, all you gotta do is claim they threatened you. Ask Zimmerman how it works. Hoyt Jan 2014 #57

Ohio at the time he might have gotten away with it exboyfil Jan 2014 #114

Stupid shooter but how is it more news worthy than the average weekend in Chicago? seveneyes Jan 2014 #17

Because This Was A Person... Laxman Jan 2014 #21

+1000. Thanks. (nt) Paladin Jan 2014 #24

Thank you - even criminals know it is a crime .This guy thought he had the right to kill no ?s asked lunasun Jan 2014 #31

I'll 3rd that "thanks" RVN VET Jan 2014 #61

Laxman... i've been seeing you around here lately druidity33 Jan 2014 #166

Thank You... Laxman Jan 2014 #175

Excellent post. -n/t Zenlitened Jan 2014 #188

Right. The Chicago shooters, if they admitted to their killing, would be sent to jail, Dark n Stormy Knight Jan 2014 #192

It's A Little More Than That... Laxman Jan 2014 #195

Or course. I thought I acknowledged that by replying to your post noting that starting with Dark n Stormy Knight Jan 2014 #197

It's not. They are all equally bad Renew Deal Jan 2014 #63

Not more news worthy ... gun violence in the US is out of control etherealtruth Jan 2014 #160

On a personal level, one incident is way out of control seveneyes Jan 2014 #165

I consider the threat as a danger to self and others etherealtruth Jan 2014 #167

The NRA talking point "suicides don't count" billh58 Jan 2014 #182

ALL gun deaths involve tragedy etherealtruth Jan 2014 #183

In a city of several million people... awoke_in_2003 Jan 2014 #190

Nothing to see here folks, GUNS DON'T KILL PEOPLE!! Heather MC Jan 2014 #18

Another "responsible" gun nut.............er owner. joshdawg Jan 2014 #20

Is it just me, or does anyone else feel like Aldo Leopold Jan 2014 #25

Another day, another shooting. . . B Calm Jan 2014 #34

I've become numb to it and that alone terrifies me. catbyte Jan 2014 #39

I don't understand how anyone can occupy this headspace Sen. Walter Sobchak Jan 2014 #29

Why have guns if you can't kill people, er, defend yourself, with them? Gungeoneer logic. nt valerief Jan 2014 #30

It's way beyond owning a pistol for target shooting or a rifle for hunting. mountain grammy Jan 2014 #33

Gun Nuttery (R) lives and breathes FEAR Berlum Jan 2014 #35

That's the entire reason Lex Jan 2014 #44

This happened in West Virginia? SCVDem Jan 2014 #37

Nobody's going to jump in with something about "if existing gun laws had been enforced....." ????? groundloop Jan 2014 #38

WTF 'gave no warning, and just pulled the trigger'. lunasun Jan 2014 #43

I was afraid to take a letter I found on the ground to a person that lives down the street from us. Rozlee Jan 2014 #49

I often feel the same way. I told one of my friends recently when real estate hunting, we have to RKP5637 Jan 2014 #211

Fuckin' West Virginia, man. Fucking Hatfields and McCoys mindset. Aristus Jan 2014 #51

Not just WV. There is a gun nut with this potential in every neighborhood in America. nt onehandle Jan 2014 #55

I know people get PO'ed on DU if one mentions states/regions, but there are many RKP5637 Jan 2014 #59

I agree, I think many fail to recognize the difference between judging individuals and a region Bjorn Against Jan 2014 #69

Right and these same folks have enough sense to not walk around the west side of chitown at night lunasun Jan 2014 #97

Message auto-removed Name removed Jan 2014 #74

Don't get on my case. Aristus Jan 2014 #76

Post removed Post removed Jan 2014 #91

This is really out of line - TBF Jan 2014 #148

Yep. Vashta Nerada Jan 2014 #80

and rightfully so DrDan Jan 2014 #111

Your post is offensive theHandpuppet Jan 2014 #139

I agree. Poster may want to look at the stats for PotatoChip Jan 2014 #147

Perhaps a few statistics might burst your bubble of bigotry theHandpuppet Jan 2014 #142

There were signs all over for the Hatfields and McCoys when I was down that way. In_The_Wind Jan 2014 #144

It's the ATV trail system in that part of WV. ileus Jan 2014 #193

On Mon Jan 27, 2014, 10:41 AM an alert was sent on the following post: In_The_Wind Jan 2014 #152

Since I was the poster who alerted theHandpuppet Jan 2014 #153

This message was self-deleted by its author PotatoChip Jan 2014 #154

... PotatoChip Jan 2014 #155

Thanks, Potato Chip theHandpuppet Jan 2014 #156

they love their guns maindawg Jan 2014 #53

There Is A Long List... Laxman Jan 2014 #54

Good points.... and as for the 2nd amendment, what 'well regulated militia'.... groundloop Jan 2014 #58

a semiauto on every streetcorner doesn't prevent a police state, it's the defintion of police state MisterP Jan 2014 #181

Even more cowardly than most gun lugging cowards. Shot them with a scope. CBGLuthier Jan 2014 #56

Yup ... it's despicable ... brett_jv Jan 2014 #71

No way he can say 'self defense" if thats the case. He's obviously got a screw loose. nt 7962 Jan 2014 #86

Finally got chance to use that scope!- a real sick subculture that encourages paranoid cowards lunasun Jan 2014 #101

Just another responsible gun owner... riderinthestorm Jan 2014 #60

Enforce the 2nd amendment. toby jo Jan 2014 #62

I must have missed the phrase "single shot rifle " Lost_Count Jan 2014 #105

Oh, you didn't miss it... awoke_in_2003 Jan 2014 #191

yep, well equiped Duckhunter935 Jan 2014 #204

I saw it and then continued to read... Lost_Count Jan 2014 #205

Since you are, evidently, wiser than I... awoke_in_2003 Jan 2014 #225

Fun fact... Lost_Count Jan 2014 #226

Gun nuts and the nra are trying to redefine what murder is. nt Javaman Jan 2014 #64

Used to have a cabin in WV packman Jan 2014 #65

Wouldn't be surprised at all if Mr. Black was fully aware of those happenings ... brett_jv Jan 2014 #77

"Justice served" PotatoChip Jan 2014 #85

Of course packman Jan 2014 #100

Thanks for clarifying. (nt) PotatoChip Jan 2014 #102

may want to edit the post to clarify. nt geek tragedy Jan 2014 #125

Bet you $5 that shooter has a head full of Fox News paranoia. Marr Jan 2014 #66

I would not take that bet ... in fact I would bet $100 you're right ... brett_jv Jan 2014 #72

Shot for "trespassing"? F*ck that. This is murder in cold blood; the shooter LeftinOH Jan 2014 #75

Banz teh Gunz!1!!! aikoaiko Jan 2014 #78

A tragic killing happens and your response is to mock the people who are upset by it Bjorn Against Jan 2014 #83

There is a lot of mocking in this thread that you have overlooked. aikoaiko Jan 2014 #88

I don't see any mocking from the OP, he posted a news story Bjorn Against Jan 2014 #89

Everyone, even target shooters, are gun nuts to Onehandle. aikoaiko Jan 2014 #92

So are you suggesting the guy who shot those people was not a gun nut? Bjorn Against Jan 2014 #93

I don't know what he was except an apparent murderer. aikoaiko Jan 2014 #94

He was a nutty guy with a gun who thought it was OK to shoot two people that posed him no threat Bjorn Against Jan 2014 #96

If he didn't have a gun billh58 Jan 2014 #103

...or accidentally run them over with his car. Iggo Jan 2014 #108

or run them over with his car. aikoaiko Jan 2014 #109

It should be noted the person you are responding to is host of GD voting to lock this thread. Hassin Bin Sober Jan 2014 #110

It is quite interesting that the person who responded to these deaths with mockery is a host Bjorn Against Jan 2014 #112

I think the mockery pintobean Jan 2014 #117

I never said he shouldn't participate, I said he should not mock people upset over a tragedy Bjorn Against Jan 2014 #122

Yep. DU3 is about transparency. Nothing in HOSTS is confidential or off limits to discuss. Hassin Bin Sober Jan 2014 #138

I'm sure I'm not the only one who was wondering Capt. Obvious Jan 2014 #143

No fighting about this OP. aikoaiko Jan 2014 #145

I would say it's interesting and out of the ordinary. pintobean Jan 2014 #150

"not being big news" RetroLounge Jan 2014 #203

Less or more concern regarding the victims than you yourself have expressed LanternWaste Jan 2014 #131

BTW, if you think this helps your pro-gun stance, TheCowsCameHome Jan 2014 #99

The pro-gun billh58 Jan 2014 #106

you like to dish it out. enjoy it yourself. aikoaiko Jan 2014 #107

Now there is exactly what I expected from you RetroLounge Jan 2014 #116

You should because your use of Moar Gunz inspired it. aikoaiko Jan 2014 #121

Glad to help. RetroLounge Jan 2014 #123

Two people are dead and you find it just hilarious that you can mock the people upset over it Bjorn Against Jan 2014 #124

RetroLounge doesn't appear to be upset. pintobean Jan 2014 #126

I don't think you speak for Retro Lounge Bjorn Against Jan 2014 #127

I don't think I do either. pintobean Jan 2014 #130

Speaking my opinion does not make me a thought enforcer Bjorn Against Jan 2014 #133

The puke emoticon was directed at aikoaiko, not the OP. pintobean Jan 2014 #134

I know that, my post was also directed at aikoaiko Bjorn Against Jan 2014 #136

Post removed Post removed Jan 2014 #81

NRA...Your Gun Righs SUCK Tippy Jan 2014 #87

An armed society is a polite society. Iggo Jan 2014 #104

Just more porn to the gun humpers RetroLounge Jan 2014 #119

Disgusting. Nt ecstatic Jan 2014 #128

Country road, take me home to the place I belong... dchill Jan 2014 #129

I wonder if that idiot was trying to take ownership of that shed by adverse possession? Baitball Blogger Jan 2014 #132

This message was self-deleted by its author Cali_Democrat Jan 2014 #135

At least his Second Amendment rights weren't violated! Cali_Democrat Jan 2014 #146

even if it was his property, he felt deadly force was necessary? Liberal_in_LA Jan 2014 #159

Correction: RACIST Gun Nut Kills Two Innocent Neighbors On Their Own Property rocktivity Jan 2014 #163

In my experience, that goes without saying. But yes, wow. Hassin Bin Sober Jan 2014 #168

The killer has been charged with 2 counts of first degree murder. raccoon Jan 2014 #164

Sad, but not surprised TNNurse Jan 2014 #172

Rodney Bruce Black's actions are indefensible. Enthusiast Jan 2014 #178

I'm sure FOX will give this incident equal coverage to what they gave "the knockout game" Adenoid_Hynkel Jan 2014 #180

Wha's the big deal. Mr. Black just Stood His Ground Doctor_J Jan 2014 #185

This is similar to the Henry Louis Gates episode hollowdweller Jan 2014 #196

Maybe Ted Nugent will do a benefit concert for the shooter mdbl Jan 2014 #198

And the NRA will set up a convention down the road like they did for Columbine. nt onehandle Jan 2014 #199

God this is terrible Catherine Vincent Jan 2014 #212

The new owner was dreaming of the perfect placement of a new home for his family .... ChisolmTrailDem Jan 2014 #217

As a kid, I almost for sure would have been killed for a Halloween prank or something like that brewens Jan 2014 #215

Cowardly assassin. jsr Jan 2014 #216

Hey gun degenerates, this one's for you! ChisolmTrailDem Jan 2014 #218

And another thing: OldRedneck Jan 2014 #219

I grew up in the country, I live in the country, now. MsPithy Jan 2014 #220

Same here, but down the road we do have one old cranky B Calm Jan 2014 #222

rescind the 2nd amendment, now! n/t PowerToThePeople Jan 2014 #223

It's time to do something SmittynMo Jan 2014 #224