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Liberal_Stalwart71

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50. Again, nothing in Obama's two books, nothing in his voting record, nothing in his ENTIRE speech

Mon Jan 27, 2014, 01:32 PM

Jan 2014

catalog made me believe for one second that he is a card-carrying member of the liberal ideological persuasion.

You and many other liberals who are angry at the president for not being liberal focused on a few issues on which you agreed with him and totally ignored others. That's your fault. Not his. Yours! I don't agree with the TPP, spying on Americans, and a host of other issues/decisions this president has made. However, I was under no illusions that he was not a liberal. I knew he wasn't. That's why I supported Kucinich.

And in 1996, I didn't vote for Clinton. I voted for Nader. Why? Because I did my homework. I knew Bill wasn't a liberal; therefore, I didn't get mad when we didn't get liberal policy positions.

Calling someone phony or fake is ridiculous when you didn't pay attention to the candidate's ENTIRE message...not just a few issues on which you agreed and ran with. You have to take some responsibility for your vote.

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Hypothetical Question: Would Obama and the Clintons be as successful if they were actually Liberal? [View all] Armstead Jan 2014 OP

Yes, clearly ProSense Jan 2014 #1

if we accept the false premise that Obama is not a liberal. But, Obama is a liberal and Coyotl Jan 2014 #150

not likely. unfortunately, liberals just don't have enough institutional power these days. unblock Jan 2014 #2

I think Obama (and Clinton) were elected largely on a liberal agenda Armstead Jan 2014 #3

Democrats are our own worst enemy. The so-called "corporatists" and conservatives in the House Liberal_Stalwart71 Jan 2014 #8

What a line of crap. If we need our democrats to be republicans to get elected, well what's the Ed Suspicious Jan 2014 #63

Thank you, Ed. My thought exactly. Maybe the dems SHOULD start grooming Nay Jan 2014 #72

No. Maybe Dems should not attacking their own and run more progressive candidates for office. Liberal_Stalwart71 Jan 2014 #119

^^^^this^^^^ L0oniX Jan 2014 #115

So you're saying that there are no conservative or corporate Democrats? How is it crap? Liberal_Stalwart71 Jan 2014 #118

It's way worse than that. lark Jan 2014 #65

Irony of ironies is that you name yourself "Liberal_Stalwart..." at the same time denigrating Ed Suspicious Jan 2014 #68

No way, sure. I voted for Nader over Clinton. Twice. I voted for him over Gore a third time. Liberal_Stalwart71 Jan 2014 #120

only partly, and this is where the dearth of institutional liberal power comes in unblock Jan 2014 #17

Yes they were, and Hillary lost because when it came down to who was more Liberal on issues like sabrina 1 Jan 2014 #35

Read Chris Hedge's book... zentrum Jan 2014 #56

We don't have institutional power because elected Dems keep putting Pubs in Nay Jan 2014 #75

We lack the power because we keep ceding it. Scootaloo Jan 2014 #127

I agree with what you said Armstead Jan 2014 #136

Would Obama be more popular? No! We liberals will always find something else to raise the bar... Liberal_Stalwart71 Jan 2014 #4

+100! "failing to understand the degree of Republican obstruction" FSogol Jan 2014 #6

God forbid we should actually discuss anything on a discussion board Armstead Jan 2014 #13

So, why are you in this thread trying to stifle discussion? FSogol Jan 2014 #18

"complaining on a message board isn't doing anything" Armstead Jan 2014 #97

I don't think that disagreement with your premise is the equivalent of denying discussion LanternWaste Jan 2014 #94

Disagreement with my premise is fine. It's just the "you shouldn't complain..." Armstead Jan 2014 #98

Well then he has a chance now to take the bull by the horns regarding spying on the American people. sabrina 1 Jan 2014 #36

Yes - even when Democrats controlled the House, Senate and Presidency, Maedhros Jan 2014 #55

Exactly! Phlem Jan 2014 #82

Bingo. Scuba Jan 2014 #102

"(and some of the left, too!) will always hate him because he's black." Capt. Obvious Jan 2014 #9

The truth hurts, eh?...nt SidDithers Jan 2014 #14

The truth never hurts. But baseless lies do. They hurt this country. So who do you know sabrina 1 Jan 2014 #37

I am a black woman who saw racism in the liberal community with my own two eyes!! Liberal_Stalwart71 Jan 2014 #45

There is racism everywhere, but you are claiming that when people disagree with this President sabrina 1 Jan 2014 #69

i agree Armstead Jan 2014 #74

That was not the claim ... 1StrongBlackMan Jan 2014 #103

She's a fucking liar! That is it. She knows I said no such thing. Liberal_Stalwart71 Jan 2014 #122

Talk to your friend Sid. Do you agree with him?? If so, then my premise is correct. I did not sabrina 1 Jan 2014 #128

This is flamebait. You're on full ignore. Liberal_Stalwart71 Jan 2014 #132

Just as I thought. Thank you! n/t sabrina 1 Jan 2014 #133

And so did the jury LS JustAnotherGen Jan 2014 #154

Yep and yep. Give your time to those that deserve it. Number23 Jan 2014 #156

NO I AM NOT AND SAID NO SUCH THING!!! You know it! Where did I assert that ANYONE who doesn't Liberal_Stalwart71 Jan 2014 #117

come on. you always make up arguments to attribute to other people, arguments they never made. nt dionysus Feb 2014 #160

Bravo. Bobbie Jo Jan 2014 #79

You denying that it's true? That truth must really hurt something awful. Liberal_Stalwart71 Jan 2014 #20

LOL Capt. Obvious Jan 2014 #21

I don't see anything funny about laughing about racism. Nothing funny at all. Liberal_Stalwart71 Jan 2014 #51

Back it up AgingAmerican Jan 2014 #87

Why is it that white people always want black people to prove racism? Liberal_Stalwart71 Jan 2014 #116

You were called the N word and spat upon by Democrats for supporting Obama? AgingAmerican Jan 2014 #134

You don't have to believe it. You live in a world where you don't want to believe it. That's sad. Liberal_Stalwart71 Jan 2014 #135

Please... AgingAmerican Jan 2014 #140

Please name specifically some of these 'people on the Left' who hate the President sabrina 1 Jan 2014 #38

Tavis Similey....oh wait.... Armstead Jan 2014 #42

I'm not referring to commentators. I'm talking about voters. Democratic voters during the primaries. Liberal_Stalwart71 Jan 2014 #46

That's odd, because Obama was elected by a huge margin over McCain. You would think that the 'haters sabrina 1 Jan 2014 #61

I don't doubt or question your experience. I doubt people who pose as the "liberal left" then spew GoneFishin Jan 2014 #66

So who are these people? On every single Liberal Blog I've ever been on, bigoted comments are sabrina 1 Jan 2014 #109

I have not seen any. My only point is that such racists are not like any liberals I know. GoneFishin Jan 2014 #139

Okay, I misunderstood then, thank you. My apologies and thank you for your civil response. sabrina 1 Jan 2014 #141

No problem. We are nearly always on the same page. I was trying to be delicate and I muddled GoneFishin Jan 2014 #143

This is a discussion board. The purpose is to discuss. Armstead Jan 2014 #12

Oh, please with this victimhood mentality. No one is trying to shut down debate. Liberal_Stalwart71 Jan 2014 #19

You have every right to knock it down Armstead Jan 2014 #22

Don't sell him short Capt. Obvious Jan 2014 #26

Joke all you want. There is racism in the Democratic Party and on the political left. Liberal_Stalwart71 Jan 2014 #47

That's rather insensitive of you Capt. Obvious Jan 2014 #49

Or, you'll do what? You're insinuating that I will accuse someone on this board of hating the Liberal_Stalwart71 Jan 2014 #52

LS JustAnotherGen Jan 2014 #155

Yep. This thread has been nothing short of jaw dropping and illuminating. Number23 Jan 2014 #157

Interesting. Conservatives knock anyone who isn't "pure" like them. I'm a liberal. A proud liberal. Liberal_Stalwart71 Jan 2014 #27

It is phony in the big picture Armstead Jan 2014 #32

Maybe some folks aren't as desperate as others tblue Jan 2014 #44

We've already won the right elections and it didn't happen Armstead Jan 2014 #57

From 2008 - 2010 the Democrats held majorities in the House and Senate Maedhros Jan 2014 #91

Again, nothing in Obama's two books, nothing in his voting record, nothing in his ENTIRE speech Liberal_Stalwart71 Jan 2014 #50

Let's just say I disagree withn your interpretation of their message and strategy Armstead Jan 2014 #59

Fine. Disagree all you want. We'll leave it at that. Liberal_Stalwart71 Jan 2014 #111

Oddly enough loyalsister Jan 2014 #95

I think he was very naive to believe that the Republicans (and some Democrats) wanted to work with Liberal_Stalwart71 Jan 2014 #112

Yes! It's all about betrayal Distant Quasar Jan 2014 #108

Glad you aren't resorting to any "epitaphs." LuvNewcastle Jan 2014 #64

I don't understand your post...and neither do you. :) Liberal_Stalwart71 Jan 2014 #124

Well then let's discuss what you brought to the discussion. Please name the sabrina 1 Jan 2014 #43

Post removed Post removed Jan 2014 #125

'Fucking liar'. That's not an argument. See Sid's interpretation of your meaning and then get back sabrina 1 Jan 2014 #129

Post my exact words that I either implied or explicitly stated that ANYONE who disagreed with Obama Liberal_Stalwart71 Jan 2014 #131

You lost me at 'fucking liar'. Speaking of flamebait. sabrina 1 Jan 2014 #137

Best comment in this thread, by far MrScorpio Jan 2014 #39

It's not the Lack of Liberalism, but the Lying about it that bugs me. Demeter Jan 2014 #67

^^Thread win right here ^^ Jamaal510 Jan 2014 #126

LiberalStalwart left DU over this thread. But the support she's gotten from EVERY black poster Number23 Jan 2014 #158

Wow that's too bad. Jamaal510 Jan 2014 #159

BOG: Resistance is futile. You will be assimilated. L0oniX Jan 2014 #5

"LET IT SINK" or "SWARM" bobduca Jan 2014 #24

How'd that primary of Obama work out in 2012? JoePhilly Jan 2014 #58

Liberals/Progressives played ball in 2012....and of course you have to criticize them for that too Armstead Jan 2014 #60

There were lots of them here on DU screaming for a primary. JoePhilly Jan 2014 #70

Thats one of the things DU is for...complaining and venting and arguing.... Armstead Jan 2014 #73

Seems to be the one of the primary things DU is "for" then. JoePhilly Jan 2014 #77

That's a pretty good summary. Thanks, JoePhilly. n/t pampango Jan 2014 #81

Complaining is the great American pastime, but..... Armstead Jan 2014 #86

So Putin made Obama supprt the gays? JoePhilly Jan 2014 #105

I'm fine with most of what you wrote in this Armstead Jan 2014 #121

Message to left: We don't need your votes. L0oniX Jan 2014 #85

What I actually said is ... JoePhilly Jan 2014 #107

Well, maybe there was a reason for the complaints? And yes, we are getting the message sabrina 1 Jan 2014 #142

You seem confused ... JoePhilly Jan 2014 #145

I'd be happy if your constant whining about Democrats turned into better candidates. sabrina 1 Jan 2014 #146

So take the party then ... please. JoePhilly Jan 2014 #147

Well we supported Buono in NJ, you know, the Dem Candidate. sabrina 1 Jan 2014 #148

And unfortunately, she lost. JoePhilly Jan 2014 #149

No, she didn't 'lose' she was a victim of the Third Way who have managed to tell the lie sabrina 1 Jan 2014 #151

You are pretty hilarious. JoePhilly Jan 2014 #152

I have to run, got more important things to do than sit around whining about Progressive Democratic sabrina 1 Jan 2014 #153

I suspect many of us Dems are asking ourselves this question lately... KoKo Jan 2014 #7

To my knowledge, neither of them considered nor called themselves "liberals". And if we had Liberal_Stalwart71 Jan 2014 #15

The sales piutch was liberal.. Armstead Jan 2014 #25

My friend, you simply didn't learn about his ENTIRE political philosophy. You picked out a few issue Liberal_Stalwart71 Jan 2014 #29

My stabnce was similar to yours Armstead Jan 2014 #34

True. Nothing pissed Bill Clinton off more than being called the L-word. Boomerproud Jan 2014 #90

Of course! I'd happily attend a $10,000 a plate fundraiser if only they were more liberal. n/t lumberjack_jeff Jan 2014 #10

Or loyalsister Jan 2014 #11

You appear to miss the point of the OP Armstead Jan 2014 #16

I don't think so loyalsister Jan 2014 #96

One of the things i always liked about Obama was his pragmatism and willingness tro compromise Armstead Jan 2014 #101

oops loyalsister Jan 2014 #104

The basic principle is the same Armstead Jan 2014 #106

And all the while loyalsister Jan 2014 #110

Really Armstead Jan 2014 #123

Yes, I'll answer. I was a Kucinich fan. I supported him before finally moving over to Obama. Liberal_Stalwart71 Jan 2014 #23

There's a big difference between moderation/ compromise and driving in the wrong direction Armstead Jan 2014 #28

Well, that too is a matter of opinion. Liberal_Stalwart71 Jan 2014 #30

Exactly my point loyalsister Jan 2014 #93

You are so right! Oh, my God. The brainwashing, anti-government, hyper-individualism has Liberal_Stalwart71 Jan 2014 #114

Obama more so, Clinton no. MannyGoldstein Jan 2014 #31

Both are political opportunists whose primary aim is to win office. Tierra_y_Libertad Jan 2014 #33

Political Science 101: That is the aim of EVERY politician. Liberal_Stalwart71 Jan 2014 #53

Yep. The rest is just advertising. They take whatever position is convenient. Tierra_y_Libertad Jan 2014 #54

the political consensus from the last three to four decades has excluded liberals and progressives Douglas Carpenter Jan 2014 #40

I'd agree except to say that a lot of that was manufactured concensus Armstead Jan 2014 #41

if clintons and obama were liberals RedstDem Jan 2014 #48

Where are the true liberals? I don't see very many anymore... Sancho Jan 2014 #62

There are many true liberals...it's a very mainstream philosophy Armstead Jan 2014 #71

And the question is...do Brown, Warren, and Sanders have the ability to win a Presidential election? Sancho Jan 2014 #76

He's had plenty of support for becoming more liberal -- but he bats it away Armstead Jan 2014 #83

There is no doubt in my mind that President Obama would have pushed more liberal policies if.. DCBob Jan 2014 #78

I disagree. Armstead Jan 2014 #84

I dont think you understand how negotiations work in Washington. DCBob Jan 2014 #130

any so-called lib/lefty not familiar or that disagrees with stupidicus Jan 2014 #80

Wrong premise. They are liberals. ecstatic Jan 2014 #88

Well true but.... Armstead Jan 2014 #89

OK, that's helpful. Thanks nt ecstatic Jan 2014 #92

Flamebait. They are liberals. treestar Jan 2014 #99

k and r frwrfpos Jan 2014 #100

Yes. Americans are more liberal than our politicians RainDog Jan 2014 #113

Probably not. moondust Jan 2014 #138

Financially? Octafish Jan 2014 #144